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Postby wrveres » Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:45 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:I don't know why he got screwed in LA? Well, the Pirates finally got a competent manager :-)


basically he wasn't Repodesta's man.
He wanted his own guy in there

Repodesta pretty much said so, the day he let him go.

anybody think that Pittsburgh will start 'running' again?
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:47 pm

wrveres wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:I don't know why he got screwed in LA? Well, the Pirates finally got a competent manager :-)


basically he wasn't Repodesta's man.
He wanted his own guy in there

Repodesta pretty much said so, the day he let him go.

anybody think that Pittsburgh will start 'running' again?


But he's still a great manager and for him to end up in a town like Pittsburg is just not right.

He'll hopefully rebound nicely there and go to a contender in 3 years. ;-D
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Postby wrveres » Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:56 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:
wrveres wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:I don't know why he got screwed in LA? Well, the Pirates finally got a competent manager :-)


basically he wasn't Repodesta's man.
He wanted his own guy in there

Repodesta pretty much said so, the day he let him go.

anybody think that Pittsburgh will start 'running' again?


But he's still a great manager and for him to end up in a town like Pittsburg is just not right.

He'll hopefully rebound nicely there and go to a contender in 3 years. ;-D


Pittsburgh has some really nice pitching talent in the pipeline. With a good Manager (Tracy) they could contend for a while. Well at least until it come time to pay said Pitchers.
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Postby Half Massed » Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:24 am

Some of the little guys look to be making a mark in the next few years... I'll be glad to see it.
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Postby WittyC » Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:43 am

Has everyone lost their marbles here?

Tracy or no, Pittsburgh is still going to be awful. Let's keep in mind they're basically a farm team for the rest of the league to pluck talent out of.

No way do they contend in the toughest division in baseball outside of the AL East. They were lucky to get to 67 wins this year, and if they top 75 next year, I'll eat my hat.

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Postby JTWood » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:41 am

WittyC wrote:Has everyone lost their marbles here?

Tracy or no, Pittsburgh is still going to be awful. Let's keep in mind they're basically a farm team for the rest of the league to pluck talent out of.

No way do they contend in the toughest division in baseball outside of the AL East. They were lucky to get to 67 wins this year, and if they top 75 next year, I'll eat my hat.

Contenders... get outta here. :*)

They do have the talent to be a .500+ team in the next two years, but ownership needs to commit to a few players to make that happen. Like I said above, they are a good team as long as the ownership doesn't screw them over.
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Postby Music2004Man » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:56 pm

I think they win 72-74 next year. Bay is a nice cornerstone to build around and having Duke and Maholm in the rotation for a full year (with more pitching on the way) could be helpful. I'm still not sold on Duffy or Eldred but we'll see what happens.
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Postby mocabeenow » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:24 pm

I think this move is going to help out the young pitchers.

I just heard Jim Tracy interviewed on ESPN Radio here in LA and he said his philosophy is pitching and defense(which Dodgers didn't care for).

I might consider keeping Ollie another year. I think Tracy's influence might kick Ollie in the butt and get him in gear.

What do you guys think?

Also Kip Wells, and their nice young prospects like Duke

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Postby JTWood » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:11 pm

mocabeenow wrote:I think this move is going to help out the young pitchers.

I just heard Jim Tracy interviewed on ESPN Radio here in LA and he said his philosophy is pitching and defense(which Dodgers didn't care for).

I might consider keeping Ollie another year. I think Tracy's influence might kick Ollie in the butt and get him in gear.

What do you guys think?

Also Kip Wells, and their nice young prospects like Duke

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I would make that determination in concert with who he brings in to coach pitching.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:38 pm

JTWood wrote:
WittyC wrote:Has everyone lost their marbles here?

Tracy or no, Pittsburgh is still going to be awful. Let's keep in mind they're basically a farm team for the rest of the league to pluck talent out of.

No way do they contend in the toughest division in baseball outside of the AL East. They were lucky to get to 67 wins this year, and if they top 75 next year, I'll eat my hat.

Contenders... get outta here. :*)

They do have the talent to be a .500+ team in the next two years, but ownership needs to commit to a few players to make that happen. Like I said above, they are a good team as long as the ownership doesn't screw them over.


No, they don't. They've got some decent, young pitchers, and one superstar hitter. The entire rest of the offense is a bunch of bit players, a few of whom MIGHT top out as average major leaguers. Unless the Pirates commit to signing a few big free agent bats, they'll never have a contending offense. A great staff might pull them into contention for a year or two, but it's a thin foundation to build on. In addition, the Pirates just don't invest their money wisely. They skimp on player development and scouting (both player and advance). They ignore the important stats and focus on the meaningless ones..and now they've hired a manager that exactly fits their wrong-headed notions of what it takes to win.
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