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Thoughts on using Fielding % or Errors as an offensive stat?

Postby BravesGuy » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:02 pm

Just wanted to see what you guys thought of these two categories.
Fielding % and Errors.

I was in one league that used Fielding % and another that used Errors.
It was crappy at times because I had both David Wright and Jose Reyes on my teams. But I guess it would reward a team for having a better all around player.

thoughts?
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Postby Amazinz » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:08 pm

It's awful IMO. I wouldn't even play in a league that used an advanced fielding metric such as ZR or RF. Fielding% and Errors aren't necessarily indicative of fielding ability so it just introduces another element of chance.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:12 pm

I think it is a very bad idea. What is stopping someone from plugging in a DH or OF who qualifies at a infield spot? Besides errors and fielding% do a poor job of representing a defensive ability anway.
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Postby BravesGuy » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:03 pm

Thanks guys, I never really thought of the DH thing. Someone using Ortiz would get 100% everytime.......
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Postby Iconoclastic » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:31 pm

It's not any less representative of a player's all around ability than Home runs or Stolen Bases, and those are accepted stat categories. I don't see how adding another category wouldn't just add another wrinkle, another edge for good fantasy owners over bad fantasy owners.

That said, I wouldn't like it simply because I'm lazy and very few sites have those stats widely available like the traditional stats.
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Postby Amazinz » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:56 pm

Iconoclastic wrote:It's not any less representative of a player's all around ability than Home runs or Stolen Bases, and those are accepted stat categories.

Can't say I agree that's the case. HR and SB are for the most part earned by the player. An error is a judgement call by the official scorer. Sometimes a player gets an error he didn't deserve and sometimes he doesn't get one when he did deserve. Then there is always the range factor where the fielders with better range are penalized for having more error opportunities.
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Postby nikku88 » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:58 pm

F% is better than errors, but it's still just a random,luck category.
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Postby hooligan1 » Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:11 pm

My main league played with errors for several years until this year, when the stat was voted out of the rotation (overwhelmingly, I might add). I hate them for two reasons: 1. they are not a good stat in real life and even worse in fantasy. Errors are not indicitive of a players ability to field his position. 2. They are not offensive stats. My major beef against the stat is that I'm drafting all my guys based on hitting and base running ability.....except for that one stat. Stupid.

That said, our secondary league uses both. We have fifteen cats each hitting and pitching, and it's more of a "for fun" league.
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