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Postby WittyC » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:56 pm

Soriano's my number three behind Pujols and A-Rod...

However, keeping with the theme, I'd still take Vlad over Ortiz. Simply, Ortiz had the best year of his career, so it's difficult to believe that he would improve on it. Vlad was down a bit in '05, and I would expect him to bounce back somewhat.

Although I don't think it's out of line to consider Vlad an injury risk at this point. Between this year's injury and his hammy, there is some concern to be had.
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Postby The_Met_Threat » Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:33 pm

WittyC wrote:Soriano's my number three behind Pujols and A-Rod...

However, keeping with the theme, I'd still take Vlad over Ortiz. Simply, Ortiz had the best year of his career, so it's difficult to believe that he would improve on it. Vlad was down a bit in '05, and I would expect him to bounce back somewhat.

Although I don't think it's out of line to consider Vlad an injury risk at this point. Between this year's injury and his hammy, there is some concern to be had.


Ortiz has only had 2 full seasons... Its like saying David Wright will not improve on it because this was his best season...
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Postby blankman » Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:10 pm

The_Met_Threat wrote:
WittyC wrote:Soriano's my number three behind Pujols and A-Rod...

However, keeping with the theme, I'd still take Vlad over Ortiz. Simply, Ortiz had the best year of his career, so it's difficult to believe that he would improve on it. Vlad was down a bit in '05, and I would expect him to bounce back somewhat.

Although I don't think it's out of line to consider Vlad an injury risk at this point. Between this year's injury and his hammy, there is some concern to be had.


Ortiz has only had 2 full seasons... Its like saying David Wright will not improve on it because this was his best season...


It may only be two "full" seasons, but its nothing like David Wright. Ortiz will be 30 years old next season. He's a late bloomer I guess, but its hardly like he's a young improving 22 year old like David Wright.
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Postby The_Met_Threat » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:21 am

Fine Hideki Matsui hes in the league 3 years, Hes what 32? Im sure he can improve on those numbers...
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Postby RynMan » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:35 am

This is interesting. Pujols and A-Rod are 1 and 2 in either order.

Ortiz, although I do like his numbers, 1B is soo incredibly deep that I'm not sure I would want to take him at #3. You can get similar production out of guys like Teixeira and Derek Lee who will probably go later.

For that reason I think Soriano has to be your number 3.
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Postby WittyC » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:06 am

blankman wrote:
The_Met_Threat wrote:
WittyC wrote:Soriano's my number three behind Pujols and A-Rod...

However, keeping with the theme, I'd still take Vlad over Ortiz. Simply, Ortiz had the best year of his career, so it's difficult to believe that he would improve on it. Vlad was down a bit in '05, and I would expect him to bounce back somewhat.

Although I don't think it's out of line to consider Vlad an injury risk at this point. Between this year's injury and his hammy, there is some concern to be had.


Ortiz has only had 2 full seasons... Its like saying David Wright will not improve on it because this was his best season...


It may only be two "full" seasons, but its nothing like David Wright. Ortiz will be 30 years old next season. He's a late bloomer I guess, but its hardly like he's a young improving 22 year old like David Wright.


My point exactly... saying he's only played two full season is just pulling the wool over everyone's eyes. He's been in the league for 9 years now and has amassed 3108 AB's.

I agree that Ortiz in his prime, but I simply can't see him going much past his current stats. Meanwhile, a healthy Vlad could get to 40 HR/20 SB. Throw in the .320 BA and the fact that he has some decent OBP guys hitting in front of him (someone explain to me why didn't Kennedy hit in the 2-hole this season), and his ceiling makes him more valuable, IMO.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:26 am

A-Choke (his 3b elig makes him slightly more valuable than Pujols imo).
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Tex, MCab (3b/OF elig), Ortiz, Manny can be considered too. There is not a lot of difference between them really.
Soriano is good but I would not put him ahead of those 6, esp when you factor in his crummy 04 campaign.
Tejada had an off year in 05 otherwise he would be in the running.
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Postby RynMan » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:27 am

WittyC wrote:(someone explain to me why didn't Kennedy hit in the 2-hole this season)


Sorry, I can't.....and I have also been scratching my head over this. Maybe the same reason Dusty Baker had Neifi Perez in the 2 hole alot of the season. :-o
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