warrick95 wrote:I have him(Gagne) way above Jones/Dempster. I value Dempster fairly well since he's always had good stuff, but I think Jones is going to collapse big time next year.
Jones had better "stuff" than Dempster last year(2005) or is it this year?
At this point without a few healthy innings pitched from Gagne, I have him near Dempster because I'm a Cubs fan and know not to expect too much. And near Jones because if he is in Florida with those pitchers he could have another 40 save season. Jones would of had more save opportunities if it weren't for Mota.
What I meant by that, was Ryan Dempster has always had the stuff to succeed as a closer. He's always been inconsistent, but he seemingly fares well as a closer, for some reason. And stuff means raw stuff...ability. I disagree that Todd Jones has better raw stuff than Ryan Dempster. However, he did pitch better last year, but I think he was riding a big wave.
Jones has simply never been this good a pitcher in his career and over the past few years, he's been simply pathetic. He's a perfect example of an overvauled pitcher, because his numbesr are completely our of the norm. While it is certainly POSSIBLE that he's reinvented himself, it's a shaky proposition to draft him based on his performance last season. He's a 37 year old pitcher who had WHIPs of 1.36, 2.01, 1.53, 1.30, and 1.70 before this 1.03 season. Personally, I think Jones is lucky to have received the job in Detroit back in the day and is now employed because he was a "proven closer."
Jones is one of the best exhibits of players that will be overvalued coming into the season. Others like him in the past include Esteban Loaiza.
1. I would not expect more saves from Todd Jones, whether he is on FLA or not. He got an absolutely sick amount of save opportunities last year...more than other pticehrs were receiving. While it's true that FLA has generated a good # of save opportunities over the past few years, I would still temper my expectations closer to league averages.
IMO, Mota retakes closing roles in Florida, whether or not Todd Jones is around. That is, if he's not dealt.