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Postby mweir145 » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:36 pm

chadlincoln wrote:After the tumor, I'm happy for him. Sexson should have been close. It'd be nice to see a link all the players they had to choose from.

Roy Halladay would have been on that list if he hadn't gotten hurt and will make it next year. Mark the tape.

I think Halladay may have pitched too well this year to get this award next year, but it's not a bad thought.
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Postby mweir145 » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:38 pm

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Nuclear29 wrote:You don't think that Gaimbi's health problems were the result of Steroid use? Blinders? Look past the pinstripes. If he were still on Oakland I doubt you would be defending him.


I look past the pinstripes, in fact I routinely blast my players here but I'm defensive when it comes to Giambi because although he made a mistake, he owned up to it as much as he could have unlike the other lying juiceheads in the league. He then worked through his LEGITIMATE INJURIES, slumps, scrutiny, pressure, depression, being told to go back to the minors, having to deal with his contract being threatened and became close to the player he used to be.

I agree, and those are exactly the reasons I would have voted for him if I actually had known about this award.
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Postby nuggets » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:39 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:I didn't. It speaks volumes about today's society that having a press conference where he didn't say anything is considered the respectable thing to do. Respectable would have been to admit he was wrong and deal with the consequences. Isn't we get a half-assed apology and he gets off Scot-free.


You make a great point here. It's like we've all become so familiar with "lawyer talk". Relatively speaking Giambi probably has done more to own up to his actions, but absolutely speaking he still comes short of accepting responsibility for his illegal actions.
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Postby wrveres » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:45 pm

Next years award will be to "SF Outfielder # 25" and I can promise you that the tone of this dicussion will be very different.
So much so, I am going to book mark this thread just to show the hypocrisy.
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Postby Yoda » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:47 pm

wrveres wrote:Next years award will be to "SF Outfielder # 25" and I can promise you that the tone of this dicussion will be very different.
So much so, I am going to book mark this thread just to show the hypocrisy.


:-D I agree.
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Postby bigken117 » Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:58 pm

Yoda wrote:
wrveres wrote:Next years award will be to "SF Outfielder # 25" and I can promise you that the tone of this dicussion will be very different.
So much so, I am going to book mark this thread just to show the hypocrisy.


:-D I agree.


The AL version will go to Baltimore 1B #25 and everyone will be proud of him too?
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Postby Honus » Sat Oct 08, 2005 8:07 am

WharfRat wrote:Kudos to the Giambino. Yeah, he's a cheat. But he's owned up to it and taken it like a man, and as far as we know he is a cheater no more. Does the award stipulate from where you have to come back? Nope. He was down as low as it gets, having done it to himself, and he came a long way from his self-induced hell. A fine choice for the award, even if Sexson was equally as deserving.

Honus - I imagine you'd be singing a different tune if he actually was on the Indians. No one is apologizing for him. He pulled off a great, clean comeback and won an award that he probably deserved. Doesn't mean what he did isn't repugnant, vile and should be condemned. Don't be so bitter, Wickman would have lost to Sexson anyway if Giambi wasn't in the running.


Wharfrat, he hasn't owned up to anything and he hasn't taken anything "like a man." He took it like a crying little selfish pathetic girl. And even though in most years this is a fairly meaningless award, I think this year it shows just how corrupt baseball still is. It DOES matter what someone has come back from. If a player beat his wife and kid to a pulp and missed 80% of the season because he was in jail, and then came back the next year and played a full season - is he supposed to be a Comeback Award winner?

And as far as me singing a different tune if Giambi was on the Indians and playing a key role in them making the playoffs, you couldn't be farther from the truth. I would be completely embarassed if Giambi were the reason the Indians made the playoffs. I would much rather Northern Ohio not appear to be a "win at all costs even if it means cheating" part of the country. The Yankees have a great tradition of winning (even if recently it has been subsidized by substantial salary spending well above and beyond the league norm). I would think true Yankee fans would say, "You know what, I'd rather us just take a year off from the playoffs than to have a goon like Giambi tarnish our team and our home even further." Instead, people like you just HAVE to get your annual October pick-me-up. I support the Indians and hope they win and all, but I am not so personally vested in them that I just collapse if they don't win. I root for the Cavs and the Browns too, and none of the three has ever won a National Championship in the 33 years I've been alive. Believe me, I can handle a missed playoff run just fine.

The people of Baltimore showed some class when they booed Palmeiro. Unfortunately, the people of San Francisco did no such thing with Bonds. He probably will be the Comeback Player of the year next year and it will be a complete joke, just like this year.

A commissioner in the past banned 8 players from the league for life for cheating and we haven't had players throwing a game since. All it would take would be for tough "chemical improvement" standards to be set and equally tough punishments to be handed out to a handful of players and all of this crap of "who's on and who's not and who's clean and who's not and who's comeback is legit and who's is not" would be a thing of the past.

As for Mr. Atrophying Testicles with a Giambi-lover sig, your comments carry absolutely no weight in a discussion of this topic.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:04 am

Atrophying Testicles wrote:Pogo stop it, you're giving me and everyone else who reads this a headache. You know, and everyone else knows, what he was apologizing for.

You think he should have owned up to it by admitting to "steroids" specifically and given up $80 Million? Oh I guess he should have owned up to it $80 Million times. Then he would've been a real man.


Yes. Or at the very least made a humongous donation to an appropriate charity.

Atrophying Testicles wrote:If we expect ballplayers to do that we're being unfair. They got that money from GM's and Owners who knew full well what they were doing when they signed those guys. Especially "The Most Obvious Juicer in the Game". For them to own up to it by giving those guys a reason to void their contracts would be moronic. It would essentially give the Teams a reason to be hypocritical with their signings, then throw up their arms and say "Well how could we know?" :-?


You're right. The honorable thing for the Yankees to do would have been to recognize that their entire season was tainted, and, as a result, announce that they would sit out the playoffs.

And as for Yankee fans...well, let's just say I'm proud to be an Oriole fan, where fans know how to treat those who have used steroids and failed to take honorable action. I'm not at all surprised at how Yankee fans have reacted to Giambi's fauw apology. I have as low expectations for them as I do for Giambi.
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Postby DK » Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:06 am

bigken117 wrote:
Yoda wrote:
wrveres wrote:Next years award will be to "SF Outfielder # 25" and I can promise you that the tone of this dicussion will be very different.
So much so, I am going to book mark this thread just to show the hypocrisy.


:-D I agree.


The AL version will go to Baltimore 1B #25 and everyone will be proud of him too?


Which one of them actually failed a steroids test? :-?

Steroids are overrated. Congratulations to Giambi.
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Postby Red Stripe » Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:41 am

If Giambi was playing on say the Tigers and he never was involved in any steroid talks and just had an off year instead of a tumor in 04 then I could almost guarantee you he wouldn't win it. This award(like most) is pretty much determined by the media, not what stats or intelligent people in the baseball world think.

Sexson, Pettite or Griff I believe should've won it over him and were more deserving IMO. Sexson doesn't get it because he isn't a very big player in front of the media and doesn't get a lot of spotlight and for Pettite and Griff they never talk about them on ESPN or any other biased sports channel. Giambi playing on a team like the Yankees and having admitted to juicing are the main reasons he won this, he is just a bigger face in the media than the other guys.
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