Mookie4ever wrote: Pedantic wrote: Mookie4ever wrote: Yoda wrote:
Theo Epstein. Red Sox will never win again and he will go down in history as the one GM who brought
them the championship.
You kids with your poor grammar. There is no "r" in bought.
So...one can't "bring" a championship to a city?
Gillick was bad for the M's. They were a disaster waiting to happen. Not to mention his total lack of an ability to make deadline deals of any sort.
Sorry Pedantic - you are wrong. Gillick mastered the deadline deal. In Toronto in 1992 he brought in Jack Morris and Winfield and then Cone at the deadline to shore up the rotation and then win a big game against Oakland.
In 1993 he brought in Molitor and Dave Stewart and then Rickey Henderson at the deadline who went on to score 6 runs in 6 WS games.
I do know that the Ms were the best team in baseball when he was their GM. They were lousy when he got there and in the three years under him they won 116, 93 and 93 games. How were they a "disaster waiting to happen"? Because everyone knew that Boone, Edgar, Moyer and Piniero were going to fall apart?
I have to agree with Mookie on this one. Gillick did exactly what they wanted him to do when he came to Seattle. They wanted to win, he brought in the players and made it happen. He filled the stadium and put a great product on the field. I will somewhat agree with the fact that he didn't have the team set up that great to win every year, but no one does that outside Atlanta and maybe Oakland.
I also don't think the lack of the Mariners making big moves at the deadline had anything to do with Gillick. As I recall when they needed a 3B a couple years back they actually put a better offer on the table for Aaron Boone, but Bowden didn't want to deal with Gillick and sent him to the Yanks. I also think he was hamstrung by ownership not allowing to go one penny over budget, even if it meant a possible run at a championship.
I think Gillick is a heck of a GM. Anyone that gets him is lucky.
He's MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better than Bavasi, that guy has killed the M's in the last couple years.