Pogotheostrich wrote:OK so I had some time to check. Gillick leaves the Jays in 94 and they averaged 69 wins for the next 3 years. After 97 he leaves the Orioles and they average 77 wins in the next 3 years. Seattle collapsed last year. Seems like he knows when to leave. I'll take continued success over that.
I don't understand your point - Gillick is responsible for the failure after he leaves?
He didn't saddle the Jays with horrible contracts. I'm not as familiar with the Orioles and Mariners but I don't believe that he can be faulted for their collapses either.
I guess the issue is whether you consider just making the playoffs a success or whether you would need to win the big enchilada every once in a while. Comparing Gillick vs. Beane there is no comparison. Gillick's teams have been regular season successes, have been exceedingly popular at the gate (the Jays single season AL attendance record was just beaten yesterday by the Yankees), have been financial successes and have won the world series.
Add to this that Gillick is a good guy and a great interview.
I don't know whether you can criticize or find any fault in Gillick. I guess that his managerial career wasn't as long as some others but I would say that he has been the best GM in my lifetime.