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Postby KolbSaves » Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:24 am

CLOSING IN: Victor Zambrano figures to get a look in the closer's role as the Mets experiment in the bullpen. Leading 4-0 entering the ninth Friday, Randolph was prepared to insert Zambrano for Pedro Martinez had the ace faltered. It would have qualified as a save situation once the first two batters reached against Martinez. The manager often has downplayed Aaron Heilman's candidacy as a closer because of his reliance on a changeup rather than a dominating swing-and-miss pitch like Zambrano's slider.

Zambrano prefers returning to the rotation next season, but noted he was a closer in the Venezuelan winter league and in the minors with the Devil Rays, where he had 20 saves over two seasons. Zambrano also had three saves with Tampa Bay in 2001 and '02. "Right now it's not in my mind," Zambrano said. "If it's a job I have to do, I'll be ready."

Braden Looper, likely a setup man if he returns next season, acknowledged he had been briefed about juggled bullpen roles during the final two weeks. "That's kind of the picture I got," he said.

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Postby Yoda » Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:29 am

Looper really screwed me a lot this season. I figured he would be at least mediocre. However, he's blown numerous games, gives up way too many base runners and just isn't a good closer at all.

Now withe 2 weeks left in the playoffs, he loses his job. :-/
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Postby Red Stripe » Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:40 pm

I think Zambrano would actually be a pretty good closer, he always seems to pitch real good the first time around the batting order but he always falls apart around the 4th or 5th inning. This is probably a good decision by the Mets, better than Graves or Takatsu or whoever else they have.
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Postby dyuen87 » Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:59 pm

zambrano has got the stuff, no question there. but i always thought he had suspect control :-? . interesting.
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Postby Lofunzo » Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:51 pm

dyuen87 wrote:zambrano has got the stuff, no question there. but i always thought he had suspect control :-? . interesting.


Agreed and that's why I don't see his future there. Kazmir might not be a bad future closer, though. ;-7
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Postby Pedantic » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:20 pm

Lofunzo wrote:
dyuen87 wrote:zambrano has got the stuff, no question there. but i always thought he had suspect control :-? . interesting.


Agreed and that's why I don't see his future there. Kazmir might not be a bad future closer, though. ;-7


I wouldn't be so sure. Turnbow has managed to succeed, and I'd say his control has been as bad or probably worse than Zambrano's in the past.
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Postby Webster11 » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:23 pm

Wow, I didnt see that coming. Should I give him a shiot and dump Hermanson?
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Postby wrveres » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:47 pm

Red Stripe wrote:I think Zambrano would actually be a pretty good closer, he always seems to pitch real good the first time around the batting order but he always falls apart around the 4th or 5th inning. This is probably a good decision by the Mets, better than Graves or Takatsu or whoever else they have.


Nothing about his numbers suggests that is true ..

<pre>
2005
H ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
Pitch 1-15 26 9 1 10 7 4.420 1.960 0.342
Pitch 16-30 27 23 3 11 18 8.280 1.520 0.284
Pitch 31-45 18 11 1 6 18 4.180 1.010 0.207


Career
H ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
Pitch 1-15 126 55 14 50 82 4.020 1.430 0.266
Pitch 16-30 110 68 18 73 96 5.200 1.560 0.248
Pitch 31-45 73 59 5 48 77 5.710 1.300 0.225
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I'd be concerned ... :-o
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Postby Lofunzo » Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:26 pm

Pedantic wrote:
Lofunzo wrote:
dyuen87 wrote:zambrano has got the stuff, no question there. but i always thought he had suspect control :-? . interesting.


Agreed and that's why I don't see his future there. Kazmir might not be a bad future closer, though. ;-7


I wouldn't be so sure. Turnbow has managed to succeed, and I'd say his control has been as bad or probably worse than Zambrano's in the past.


Worse?? Turnbow had 60 IP of career work before this season. Zambrano had about 500. We know what Zambrano is. The jury is still out on Turnbow. I hold more stock in his 2005 season.
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Postby Red Stripe » Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:27 pm

Really that's weird, I guess I can understand this year as I haven't really paid attention to him but in the past he always seems to fall apart around the 4th or 5th inning, mainly when he was with the D Rays I remember him going good for the first 3 then giving up like 3 or 4 runs in one inning. O well, can't argue against statistics.
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