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by **Lofunzo** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:43 pm

wrveres wrote:
Lofunzo wrote:That's like the 1998 Yanks getting swept in the 1st round of the playoffs.

well if the ump would have called that stupid pitch that was right down the middle of the plate, a strike, it might have been a very different series

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Nice battle JT ..

BTW, JRM is getting married today, so it is hard to mess with that kind of karma.

I agree. I believe it was to Tino right before he hit a GS.

by **JTWood** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:44 pm

Lofunzo wrote:
kentx12 wrote:IMO that is what makes H2H so much more realistic than roto.

More realistic?? A case could be made that it is more fun, because you have a new matchup every week, but more realistic?? I don't see how playing an entire season only to have 1 bad week kill you is more realistic. That's like the 1998 Yanks getting swept in the 1st round of the playoffs.

Of course it's more realistic. I can't believe it's even debatable. Regular season performance means nothing in the playoffs in both real life and in H2H. Once you get to the playoffs, a team can get hot, go cold, suffer injuries, or get swept in the World Series despite having the best record in baseball.

by **HiddenIdentity** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:45 pm

JTWood wrote:
Lofunzo wrote:
kentx12 wrote:IMO that is what makes H2H so much more realistic than roto.

More realistic?? A case could be made that it is more fun, because you have a new matchup every week, but more realistic?? I don't see how playing an entire season only to have 1 bad week kill you is more realistic. That's like the 1998 Yanks getting swept in the 1st round of the playoffs.

Of course it's more realistic. I can't believe it's even debatable. Regular season performance means nothing in the playoffs in both real life and in H2H. Once you get to the playoffs, a team can get hot, go cold, suffer injuries, or get swept in the World Series despite having the best record in baseball.

Exactly

And it's always fun to see 1st place braggers get beat by last place teams.

by **JTWood** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:49 pm

wrveres wrote:BTW, JRM is getting married today, so it is hard to mess with that kind of karma.

Actually, he got married yesterday. Today is first day of the rest of his life.

;-)

by **Lofunzo** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:50 pm

JTWood wrote:
Lofunzo wrote:
kentx12 wrote:IMO that is what makes H2H so much more realistic than roto.

More realistic?? A case could be made that it is more fun, because you have a new matchup every week, but more realistic?? I don't see how playing an entire season only to have 1 bad week kill you is more realistic. That's like the 1998 Yanks getting swept in the 1st round of the playoffs.

Of course it's more realistic. I can't believe it's even debatable. Regular season performance means nothing in the playoffs in both real life and in H2H. Once you get to the playoffs, a team can get hot, go cold, suffer injuries, or get swept in the World Series despite having the best record in baseball.

What I meant was that in roto, the best team usually wins and in ML baseball, the same holds true. In H2H, I can go 150-10 during the whole season, sit out for my bye, and then get swept in the playoffs. If it happens once in a while in baseball, it happens much more often in H2H. I don't like having the best team all season only to have a manager rest some players and I get bounced because of it. There are pros and cons to each but I will always side with the version that takes more skill into the equation and less luck.

by **wrveres** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:51 pm

JTWood wrote:
wrveres wrote:BTW, JRM is getting married today, so it is hard to mess with that kind of karma.

Actually, he got married yesterday. Today is first day of the rest of his life.

was it yesterday?
my bad ... That is still some serious Karma.
I wonder if he skipped out on the honeymoon for a moment to check his lineups ... :-o

by **Lofunzo** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:52 pm

wrveres wrote:
JTWood wrote:
wrveres wrote:BTW, JRM is getting married today, so it is hard to mess with that kind of karma.

Actually, he got married yesterday. Today is first day of the rest of his life.

was it yesterday?
my bad ... That is still some serious Karma.
I wonder if he skipped out on the honeymoon for a moment to check his lineups ...

I don't doubt it. ;-D

by **JTWood** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:59 pm

Lofunzo wrote:What I meant was that in roto, the best team usually wins and in ML baseball, the same holds true. In H2H, I can go 150-10 during the whole season, sit out for my bye, and then get swept in the playoffs. If it happens once in a while in baseball, it happens much more often in H2H. I don't like having the best team all season only to have a manager rest some players and I get bounced because of it. There are pros and cons to each but I will always side with the version that takes more skill into the equation and less luck.

Obviously, this argument is based on the assumption that some people want a game that more resembles the real thing. Some do not, and that's perfectly understandable.

However, if you're playing for something more realistic, than there are plenty of ways to avoid the whole "rest a player" problem. The easiest solution is to end the season a little sooner. The next easiest solution is to make the playoff games last longer than the regular season matchups. For instance, make it a two-week game instead of a one-week game.

This off-season, I am going to write an article for the site on this. There are a lot of problems that exist in the most common H2H leagues that could easily be fixed so that random and uncontrollable events don't have nearly as large of an impact as they could.

by **Tavish** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:06 pm

Neither H2H or Roto is even close to resembling real baseball. They just use baseball statistics. I enjoy roto more because as a game the rules make more sense to me. I don't want to play a 10 hour game of Monopoly and when there are only two players left just flip a coin to determine the winner.