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Postby blankman » Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:14 pm

Lofunzo wrote:1 thing that I absolutely hate about this place is the hate that goes on against certain teams, especially the Yankees. Be it jealousy or whatever, it really is annoying. I have never seen 1 Yankee fan here claim that Cano is anything other than a solid rookie and someone that has a lot of potential for the future.. People come here and say that this is yet another overhyped rookie on the Yanks. Whatever. There were a lot of solid contributors but without Cano, they wouldn't even have a shot at the playoffs. Womack wasn't getting it done. I will also say that there is absolutely no point in comparing him to Infante. Tell you what.......Bottle up Infante's stats right now and then look at Cano's after 336 ML games. Cano is a rookie and 1 that came out of nowhere. Infante has been in the league for a few seasons.


Lo, I couldn't agree more. Its just very frustrating.

He's done nothing but play well. Every single player hits a wall at some point when pitchers adjust to him and then he must be able to adjust to that. Its a constant cycle. He swung at a lot of bad pitches early, but he's since adjusted and is now tearing the cover off the ball again. Overall, he's hiting .294 at the age of 23 despite hitting .206 for an entire month.

From everything I've seen of him (nearly every game this summer), he has a ton of talent and he looks like the future at 2nd for NYY and I really looking forward to seeing what he can do with all that talent. ;-D
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Postby blankman » Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:19 pm

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Hall of Famer?? Who's overreacting now??

certainly not me. i said he'd be a starting-worthy 2b and nothing beyond that.

moreover, i've seen a lot of people claiming stuff like:
Most of the discussions here about Cano have been about people saying that he's crap

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et all you experts claim he'll suck having never even seen the kid play.


but i don't really recall seeing a lot of people saying that cano is "garbage" or "crap" or "he'll suck". on the contrary, people seem to be saying (and i know i have) that cano is an all-right player who projects to be starting somewhere but not an all-star. in fact, quote me some instances of people saying cano sucks (note: not that he's over-hyped by the NY media and NY fans. because plenty of people have said that, and it doesn't amount to saying "cano sucks")


During his slump in August, there was a huge thread where a ton of people were jumping on him, proclaiming he was one of the worst 2B in baseball, worse than Bellhorn. Now he's made the adjustment and is playing phenominally, yet so many people still hide behind his August slump.
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Postby DK » Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:25 pm

blankman wrote:During his slump in August, there was a huge thread where a ton of people were jumping on him, proclaiming he was one of the worst 2B in baseball, worse than Bellhorn. Now he's made the adjustment and is playing phenominally, yet so many people still hide behind his August slump.


But when he slumps again, won't you defend him by hiding behind this hot streak? :-? It's not easy to say if he's made the adjustment or he's just riding a hot streak. Either way, I personally don't see him keeping up what he's doing right now. I'm not saying he SUCKS or will fall off the face of the earth, but he's playing above his level at this point, IMO.
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Postby Lofunzo » Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:57 pm

DK wrote:
Lofunzo wrote:
DK wrote:Let me clarify that I never said that Cano was garbage (and yes, I have seen him play). He walks as much as Albert Belle gave interviews, which isn't a good sign, but he's young so that happens. He doesn't look like he'll ever change that aggressive play, though, which may give you a good average, but low OBP as well.

Comparing him to Infante isn't crazy at all. The difference is that they change the scoreboard in two different ways (Cano with BA, Infante with SA).


And 1 is a rookie and the other isn't. ;-)

Cano's lack of walks alarms me but it does when it comes to Reyes as well. Hopefully, both of their eyes will come around.


Who was talking about their ages? I was merely comparing the two based on their statistics this season, rather than their future output.

How did Reyes come into this conversation? :-? Anyway... If you want to compare those two I would say Reyes is the better player. I don't think Reyes' eye will come around unless Willie forces him to, and it seems like he's trying. (Re: quotes from Willie to the press about how he needs to improve his plate discipline or he'll never be a good leadoff hitter, etc.) Jose is younger and has more discipline than Cano at this point (24 walks and 73 strikeouts in 146 games/16 walks and 62 strikeouts in 116 games), but it's close.


O.K. Let's back up for a sec.

1. I was saying that comparing Infante to Cano is extremely flawed. Maybe their numbers are similar but there is the age factor, the experience factor, and the fact that Infante has already had a chance to show what he can do. Cano, on the other hand, came out of nowhere and has had a pretty good season.
2. How did Reyes get included into the discussion?? We were talking about Cano's lack of walks and Reyes couldn't walk if you spotted him a 3-0 count. ;-7 Cano is the same way. Both should be walking a lot more than they do. Once every 6+ games ain't cutting it. I love what both of their futures look like, though. Reyes has the makings of a star. ;-D
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Postby HiddenIdentity » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:21 pm

Don't worry Cano supporters! I picked him up so he will be slumping again shortly ;-D
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Postby wrveres » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:46 pm

is anybody else sick and tired of the Yankee fans saying "You have probably never even seen him play" when ESPN shoves that garbage baseball down our troat all season long ... :-t :-t

Little clue for you clueless Yanks fans ..



WE HAVE NO FRICKING CHOICE BUT TO WATCH THAT CRAP THAT GEORGE PUTS ON THE FIELD.

Oh and how fricking sad is it, that after spending 200 million on a team, the apparent "saving grace" is a .290 hitting rookie, that bats 9th in the lineup :-t

and lastly ...

Lo .. I hate the Yankees, and will always hate the Yankees. No amont of whining about it on your part is going to change that..

The Yankees SUCK!
and they can suck my .. ....
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Postby DK » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:48 pm

Lofunzo wrote:O.K. Let's back up for a sec.

1. I was saying that comparing Infante to Cano is extremely flawed. Maybe their numbers are similar but there is the age factor, the experience factor, and the fact that Infante has already had a chance to show what he can do. Cano, on the other hand, came out of nowhere and has had a pretty good season.
2. How did Reyes get included into the discussion?? We were talking about Cano's lack of walks and Reyes couldn't walk if you spotted him a 3-0 count. ;-7 Cano is the same way. Both should be walking a lot more than they do. Once every 6+ games ain't cutting it. I love what both of their futures look like, though. Reyes has the makings of a star. ;-D


Now that we back up, it makes sense.

1) The difference is that you were comparing Cano and Infante in terms of their future/subjective value. I was only comparing their respective worth so far in 2005.
2) Bring up Ivan Rodriguez for that discussion. ;-7 Reyes' plate discipline has gotten better as the year has passed on, and if you take out his two longest walk droughts of the season (the first month or so and most of June) he's got 24 walks in 99 games. His only real problem is inconsistency; he'll hit 3 home runs in a month, not homer for 3 months, and then hit 3 in the span of five days again. He'll go a month without drawing a walk, draw 8 in the next month, then go another month without drawing one and then draw 6 in the next 25 games. If he develops consistency with everything else (he's consisently been stealking this year, but that's about it) he'll be a star. I think Willie Wilson (while Whitey Herzog was his hitting coach) is a pretty solid comparison (I've made it before on this board).

Cano I don't know as much about but he looks decent; he also seems to have trouble with consistency. I think Reyes will be a better player but Cano seems to be decent to me.
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Postby wrveres » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:53 pm

George_Foreman wrote:
Omar Infante 0.26
Ivan Rodriguez 0.26
Michael Young 0.26
David DeJesus 0.26
Ron Belliard 0.26
Robinson Cano 0.25


if anything, this list shows you how pointless this stat is. you can go down that list and for every two top-level players, there's a david dejesus.

either way, cano is what he is: a better-than-bench player, but no HoFer. he probably won't go to any all-star games, although anything is possible in a given season (see: Anderson, Brady). but he'll be a solid contributer on a yankees team that desperately needs some young, cheap talent. a .280 career average with some pop and good periferals (he'll be in NY for a while, after all) would probably be reasonable, although if he decides to take a pitch now and then....


nice comparison ...

If anything it show you how idiotic this statement is ..

blankman wrote:I had thought of digging up the old thread.

28 doubles in less than 120 games 8-o 8-o 8-o 8-o 8-o 8-o
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Postby blankman » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:55 pm

Thanks for adding nothing to the discussion.
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Postby wrveres » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:56 pm

George_Foreman wrote:
et all you experts claim he'll suck having never even seen the kid play.


but i don't really recall seeing a lot of people saying that cano is "garbage" or "crap" or "he'll suck".


exactly !!!!
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