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Postby blankman » Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:59 pm

He's got his bat back. ;-D

Great start to September.

Another 2/3 game so far.

a double and a grand slam ;-D

BA up to .290.
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Postby davidmarver » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:08 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:He's having a nice hot streak and a good rookie season.
Still I don't see any reason to get all that excited about him. Omar Infante has 28 doubles in 108 games.

Interesting comparison:
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Name Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Robinson Cano NYY 114 449 62 129 28 2 9 47 16 62 1 2 .287 .314 .419 .733
Omar Infante DET 105 362 32 80 28 2 7 41 15 59 7 0 .221 .255 .367 .622
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Give Infante the protection and lineup Cano gets to situate himself in and those ratios would be reversed.
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Postby Red Stripe » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:16 pm

davidmarver wrote:
Pogotheostrich wrote:He's having a nice hot streak and a good rookie season.
Still I don't see any reason to get all that excited about him. Omar Infante has 28 doubles in 108 games.

Interesting comparison:
<pre>
Name Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Robinson Cano NYY 114 449 62 129 28 2 9 47 16 62 1 2 .287 .314 .419 .733
Omar Infante DET 105 362 32 80 28 2 7 41 15 59 7 0 .221 .255 .367 .622
</pre>
Give Infante the protection and lineup Cano gets to situate himself in and those ratios would be reversed.


Ya but that 100 point difference in OPS is a telling stat. I don't think Infante would do quite as well as Cano if Infante were in the Yankee lineup.
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Postby looptid » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:25 pm

Odd the difference is 47 singles, with alomst identical totals for doubles, triples, and homeruns, with walks and strike outs the same (although Infante collecting both at a faster rate). And both around the same age. Looks like Infate has more power but cannot make contact as often.
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Postby blankman » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:27 pm

davidmarver wrote:
Pogotheostrich wrote:He's having a nice hot streak and a good rookie season.
Still I don't see any reason to get all that excited about him. Omar Infante has 28 doubles in 108 games.

Interesting comparison:
<pre>
Name Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Robinson Cano NYY 114 449 62 129 28 2 9 47 16 62 1 2 .287 .314 .419 .733
Omar Infante DET 105 362 32 80 28 2 7 41 15 59 7 0 .221 .255 .367 .622
</pre>
Give Infante the protection and lineup Cano gets to situate himself in and those ratios would be reversed.


david, that's a disgrace how stupid that is. Do you even realize who bats behind Cano? Try Bubba Crosby, the .258 hitter.

Calling Cano is .221 hitter when he's hitting .290 is so ridiculous that I don't even know what to say. Same goes for his OBP which you're calling .255 which is 35 points lower than his batting average. You've probably never seen him play (and if you did its no more than 4 times, probably all during his slump) and are basing everything off of your hatred for the Yankees. Its downright sad.
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Postby RynMan » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:03 pm

stumpak wrote:I am not biting on this!

But I will be more than happy to admit I am wrong if Cano's performance so indiactes at the end of the season.


Ditto. When Cano cools off again I might dig this thread back up.
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Postby Simulacrum » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:14 pm

5 RBIs and a single away from the cycle tonight 8-o
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Postby davidmarver » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:25 pm

blankman wrote:
davidmarver wrote:
Pogotheostrich wrote:He's having a nice hot streak and a good rookie season.
Still I don't see any reason to get all that excited about him. Omar Infante has 28 doubles in 108 games.

Interesting comparison:
<pre>
Name Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Robinson Cano NYY 114 449 62 129 28 2 9 47 16 62 1 2 .287 .314 .419 .733
Omar Infante DET 105 362 32 80 28 2 7 41 15 59 7 0 .221 .255 .367 .622
</pre>
Give Infante the protection and lineup Cano gets to situate himself in and those ratios would be reversed.


david, that's a disgrace how stupid that is. Do you even realize who bats behind Cano? Try Bubba Crosby, the .258 hitter.

Calling Cano is .221 hitter when he's hitting .290 is so ridiculous that I don't even know what to say. Same goes for his OBP which you're calling .255 which is 35 points lower than his batting average. You've probably never seen him play (and if you did its no more than 4 times, probably all during his slump) and are basing everything off of your hatred for the Yankees. Its downright sad.

I'm not calling Cano a .221 hitter, but by the same token, I'm not calling Infante a .221 hitter. Cano hasn't always had Crosby behind him, in fact he's only had 39 at bats behind Cano. Nice theory there. The fact Cano had bad hitters behind him while hitting eighth and still has only collected 16 walks is a little irking to me.

Congrats, Cano is hitting .310 in the nine-hole in a good lineup. Maybe pitchers are giving him pitches to hit so he won't be on-base for Jeter, Matsui, Giambi, Sheffield, and ARod. However, when pitchers most need to get Cano out, they have been. He hits only .250 with runners on (200 at bats) and .188 with RISP. Anyway you explain that, it's bad. The exact opposite exists with Infante: he hits well with runners on

This is more of a hot streak than it is an actual barometer of his talent; Cano has to grow far more patient for me to buy that he has gotten better. He only has two walks compared to seven Ks this month, which is right on scope with the rest of his season.

To further the comparison, Infante creates 3.7 runs a game compared to Cano's 3.5. Infante also sees .4 more pitches/plate appearance. Cano's 3.1 is among the league's lowest. That said Cano has better bat control as he pops up less and hits a higher % of line-drives although those statistics virtually go hand-in-hand (one explains the other). Infante also has 8 win shares compared to Cano's 6. Infante's is one higher than bench while Cano's is worse than what an average bench player would accomplish.

To put it simply, the two aren't as far separated as you think.
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Postby AT » Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:59 am

This is a good point you raise about Infante. It really shows how much better Cano is than Infante. Especially considering that Infante is in his 3rd full season in the majors and Cano is in his first. Infante is hitting .219 after hitting .264 and .222 in his last 2 partial seasons. Omar also struck out 112 times last year. These guys are definitely the same player. Nice points guys about the OPS, the runs created, blah blah blah. We're still talking about a young guy in Infante who's regressed from last season. That's a terrible indicator of a young player's development. You don't need me to tell you that...

Any more Yankee haters want to pile on against the rookie who is hitting .455 in September in the middle of a Pennant chase?

And yeah he hit a 6th Inning Game Tying Grand Slam and almost hit for the cycle last night in a crucial game.

Omar Infante. Give me a break... :-b
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Postby dyuen87 » Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:32 am

haha yankee haters are just angry that the yankees somhow managed to produce a good player from their farm even during the steinbrenner era. all teams had a chance to get this guy, but NO ONE wanted him. i wouldn't be surprised if he turns into a .300 hitter, doubles machine with power in his future. ;-D show cano the love.
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