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Postby blankman » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:48 pm

TB13 wrote:
blankman wrote:I really do think they'll go either in house with Thompson/Cabrera or with a servicable CF who plays good defense (they'll get someone regardless of whether they choose to try in house as insurance) and then wait for Hunter. Damon is just way too much money at his age (by the end of the contract), but you can expect they'll at least bid the price up for Boston.


I agree. The problem is that Damon will be looking for a 5 year deal. I think that the Yankees (specifically Cashman, if he is still the GM) are feeling burnt by old players at the tail end of the contracts. The only thing that they MAY do is inquire if the Marlins are going to take Pierre to arbitration. If not, then they may make a play for him.

BTW, looks like I am coming out on the wrond side of both of our bets. :-P


I don't think Pierre is the answer either :-/

His OBP sucks, he'll be overpaid and his arm is Bernie-esque :-P

I could deal with a bad OBP and no power if he had a good arm and didn't cost so much more than he's worth. :-/

And the bets... }:-)
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Postby BritSox » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:32 pm

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BritSox wrote:Yeah, I think getting Johnny would make the Yanks scarily good for the next year or two, but five years is too much. I think he's worth the 4/40 the sox will offer, maybe even 4/45, but anyone who goes significantly over that to take him off us would be making a mistake. I'm not sure we'll be able to compete next year without him, but the idea of paying him huge money way into his thirties doesn't appeal.


I wouldn't even give him 4 years (which he wouldn't take anyway). This isn't a knock on his play, but I don't see the logic in paying him that much at the age of 36 (the tail of the contract), when speed is one of his biggest strengths. Many people forget that Bernie Williams is "only" 36 and look what's happened to him. He used to be a phenominal fielder winning 4 Gold Gloves despite a poor arm. Johnny Damon is a very similar mold with the same bad arm. Will the same happen to Damon? I don't know, but its not a risk I'd like to take.

For the first 2 years he's a great signing, but I think you have to look beyond that when the smarter play is to wait on Torii Hunter, who's a better fielder with a better arm when CF defense is the primary need of the team.


If he won't settle for four, hello Anaheim/Wrigley, becuase there's no way he get five years out of Epstein.
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Postby blankman » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:52 pm

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BritSox wrote:Yeah, I think getting Johnny would make the Yanks scarily good for the next year or two, but five years is too much. I think he's worth the 4/40 the sox will offer, maybe even 4/45, but anyone who goes significantly over that to take him off us would be making a mistake. I'm not sure we'll be able to compete next year without him, but the idea of paying him huge money way into his thirties doesn't appeal.


I wouldn't even give him 4 years (which he wouldn't take anyway). This isn't a knock on his play, but I don't see the logic in paying him that much at the age of 36 (the tail of the contract), when speed is one of his biggest strengths. Many people forget that Bernie Williams is "only" 36 and look what's happened to him. He used to be a phenominal fielder winning 4 Gold Gloves despite a poor arm. Johnny Damon is a very similar mold with the same bad arm. Will the same happen to Damon? I don't know, but its not a risk I'd like to take.

For the first 2 years he's a great signing, but I think you have to look beyond that when the smarter play is to wait on Torii Hunter, who's a better fielder with a better arm when CF defense is the primary need of the team.


If he won't settle for four, hello Anaheim/Wrigley, becuase there's no way he get five years out of Epstein.


Really no doubt about that in my mind. 4 is already too much for me and 5 should definately be too much for any team.
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Postby TB13 » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:04 pm

BritSox wrote:If he won't settle for four, hello Anaheim/Wrigley, becuase there's no way he get five years out of Epstein.


Out of Epstein? No. But if the Sox let Epstein walk (the current rumor de jour), who knows what his would-be successor would do?
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:05 pm

TB13 wrote:Out of Epstein? No. But if the Sox let Epstein walk (the current rumor de jour), who knows what his would-be successor would do?
I have to think there would be riots in Boston if the Sox let Epstein go.
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Postby George_Foreman » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:30 pm

anyone else think that it's funny that smaller-market teams ask their players to accept a little less than market value to stay at home while the redsox are exected to pay premiums over market value to keep their players around? :-D
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Postby TB13 » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:48 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote: I have to think there would be riots in Boston if the Sox let Epstein go.


You would think so, but the rumors of him not being retained persist.
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Postby George_Foreman » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:18 pm

i'm curious; why would they want to get rid of theo? all he did was win them a series....
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Postby davidmarver » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:21 pm

blankman wrote:
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Sultans of Squat wrote:I agree w/ you, especially since the Yanks won't be in the market for an aging, big name closer yet. :D

38.1 IP, 8ER (1.88 ERA), 35 of 37 (93.6%) in save situations.

Yep...Hoffman's done. ;-7

And technically, isn't everyone aging? :-?


LOL! Believe what you will, but no aging pitcher is getting $250K/inning on the open market when the Yanks, Bosox, Dodgers *and* Tigers are not involved. :D BTW, I'm a Yankees fan and have my fair share of love/respect for Mo Rivera, but I'd have no qualms w/ poking fun at any other fan who thinks Rivera should get $10M/year on the open market under the same circumstances -- he might get it just because the Yanks would then be in the market, but he really should not from anyone else.

BTW, I'm assuming that we're talking multi-year contract, not a 1-year deal. If it's 1-year, then I can see someone else paying that much.

Who said anything about a multi-year deal? :-?

Hoffman's agent has stated he wants to make his client the highest paid closer in baseball and it will happen; I do not doubt that. Someone will pay Hoffman the money to anchor down a bullpen.


You're seriously overvaluing him at this point. No one's going to pay him $10.6M (might have to be even more since I don't know what Rivera makes next year). Its just too much money in today's market.

Since you're so confident, you should have no problem making this a bet...

I'll make this a bet once you start posting in the Draft, Trade, and Keeper Questions Forum or in the Who to Start/Bench Forum or in the Analyze My Roster Forum. :-°

If I'm overvaluing him, then whoever is making the $10.6 million currently as the highest paid closer is also overpaid seeing as his numbers aren't as good as Hoffman's 35 of 37.

I'm not overvaluing here; you're undervaluing him and have been this entire past season. I noticed you took the Rivera/Hoffman line out of your sig...could it be that Hoffman is out-performing Rivera as a closer again this season? :-?

Hoffman made 9.6 million in 2003; it would be juvenile to dismiss him getting 10.6 this next season, especially with such a weak free agent market. Supply and demand is a fundamental key of the free agent signing period. I would not be surprised to see him get a contract similar to his '03 salary, along with a few incentives making the contract worth 2-3 million more.

As for the rest of the Padres free agents: Bye bye Hernandez (I like Olivo more, as is) and I expect the Padres to pay out for Giles.


Perhaps I took it down to allow for better quality on my sig. Just a thought ;-7

Clearly you're scared you'll lose or you'd make the bet.

Here is my side: Hoffman will not become the highest paid closer in MLB this offseason.

You claim you're so sure about it, so otherwise you're a coward if you aren't willing to make a Cafe bet which isn't a very big deal in the first place.

I never backed down from a bet. In fact, I said that once you start posting in forums that actually help fantasy owners (and thus the cafe), then the bet is on. Looks like its your shoulders onto whether or not the bet is in play. Have fun contributing. :-]

In the meantime, I seem to remember a Hoffman/Rivera bet on who would have the best save % this season and one of us backed down to that...can't remember who though. ;-7

In the meantime, I think Pierre would actually be a wiser signing than Damon. AL teams will have to learn how to play Pierre and this season isn't a proper indicator of just how good of a hitter he is; this season is closer to an outlier than it is his averages.
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Postby blankman » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:00 pm

Hmm...someone's bitter.

Last I checked you could post where ever you like, but if you really wanted to go back to when I was following fantasy, I'm absolutely positive you'd see that I've had more posts in the 'help' related topics than you have in your time here.

I haven't asked for advice and haven't given it either because I'm not in a position to do so because I chose schoolwork over baseball last spring. Excuse me. ;-7

Last I checked you weren't a Mod either, where that would be any of your business.

A bet on save %? I had no such discussion about it, because it would have furthered your misperception about the importance of that stat as the end all be all of everything if I had made any bet with you about it regardless of players involved.

But I guess you just know you'll lose if you make the bet. This other bit is a cop-out, to hide your fear of losing the bet.
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