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Postby Yoda » Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:35 pm

He won't do squat.
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Postby Art Vandelay » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:19 am

Big Pimpin wrote:The saddest thing to me is that he's now held in regard with guys like Ruth, Mays, Williams, Musial, or even Hank Aaron. It makes me sick. These things didn't even exist when those guys played, and now some cheater is going to come along and take his unrightful place beside them? It's just not right.


Even though I disagree with you, I can understand where you come from and I respect your opinion. But this is the part of the argument that I have serious problems with. There are hundreds of things that today's players have that weren't available in past generations. The equipment is better, the nutrition and training is better, treatment and recovery for injuries is better. They didn't have arthroscopic surgery and many injuries that keep players out for two months now were career ending 50 years ago...so should we strip their stats too? Also, where do you draw the line? Steroids and creatine do the same thing (artificial muscle growth), only to different degrees, so who, and how do we decide which supplements are legal and which aren't?
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Postby eftda » Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:13 pm

KaiserSoze wrote:
eftda wrote: The Steroid tests have proven that he didn't take anything.




Think about what you just said. They don't prove he didn't take human growth hormone. They don't prove he didn't take horse steroids with an advanced masking agent. Think about it. They prove nothing.


If they prove nothing then how come we have to many positive tests?
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Postby blankman » Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:20 pm

eftda wrote:
KaiserSoze wrote:
eftda wrote: The Steroid tests have proven that he didn't take anything.




Think about what you just said. They don't prove he didn't take human growth hormone. They don't prove he didn't take horse steroids with an advanced masking agent. Think about it. They prove nothing.


If they prove nothing then how come we have to many positive tests?


In the court of public opinion they haven't proven he did nothing in the past, only that he hasn't gotten caught. The tests don't cover the past few years and that's a pretty important thing to remember in the eyes of the public.
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Postby eftda » Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:31 pm

blankman wrote:
eftda wrote:
KaiserSoze wrote:
eftda wrote: The Steroid tests have proven that he didn't take anything.




Think about what you just said. They don't prove he didn't take human growth hormone. They don't prove he didn't take horse steroids with an advanced masking agent. Think about it. They prove nothing.


If they prove nothing then how come we have to many positive tests?


In the court of public opinion they haven't proven he did nothing in the past, only that he hasn't gotten caught. The tests don't cover the past few years and that's a pretty important thing to remember in the eyes of the public.


What about the most recent positive tester... He claimed to have taken roids back in 2003. The M's OF. I'm drawing a blank on his name right now.
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Postby eftda » Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:34 pm

Jose has even said that roids can sometimes stay in your body for years. I don't have a direct quote but he was in his book.
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Postby eftda » Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:37 pm

Im not trying to change your opnion becuase I dount that you'd be willing to do so. Bonds haters wanted him to be tested, he was but came out clean. Now BH (Bonds Haters) will cry on how he wasn't tested in 2000 and on. The matter of the fact is, he took the test (a couple of times) and passed. End of story.
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:45 pm

Heh, and you don't think there are so many hardcore masking agents?
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Postby eftda » Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:51 pm

I know there are alot of masking agents. I've spent hours doing research on this subject.
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Postby Armed and Hammered » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:02 pm

Yahoo's Poll:

"Poll: What do you expect from Bonds' return?

A. Drama B. Walks C. an 0-fer"

Seems as though Yahoo doesn't think too highly of him either.
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