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Postby joeg24 » Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:49 pm

If my math is right

13 hitters faced


1 hit



9 k's


hello 2006
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Postby chadlincoln » Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:10 pm

Decent start for him yesterday. I'm looking forward to his next one.
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Postby joeg24 » Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:29 pm

What a rotation next year!!!

If only the offense could be upgraded!!!! Sad thing is the most likely transaction will be letting Jones go and rolling with Kubel.

Should be another excellent pitching year with frustrating offense!
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Postby looptid » Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:01 pm

The Twins offense sucks, and Jones, an average corner outfielder, looks pretty good compared to the rest of the line-up. But a team with a sub-$60 million payroll can't afford to pay Jones $15+/3. I can't believe Jones will be worth at least $4.6 million more than Kubel/Ford next season. Having said that, I doubt the Twins will use that $4.6 to bring in any significant help.

So, if Liriano is going to record a lot of wins from here on out and through next season, let's hope for an ERA around 2.00.
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Postby Havok1517 » Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:21 pm

Did you all know that the Twins owner is one of the richest if not the richest owner in sports???
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Postby joeg24 » Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:25 pm

Yeah that 4.6 mil is going to raises to the likes of Hunter and Johan and other minor bump ups. I read somewhere that with trading/letting walk Rivas, Loshe, Mays, and Jones that they are already at the "salary cap". Crappy! Better hope for bounce back years from Ford and Morneau and Bartlett and Cuddyer to emerge...

Yes Pohlad is one of the richest owners in sports, a friend told me Mr Burns from the simpsons is based on him.. not sure how valid that is though!
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Postby looptid » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:13 pm

Well, supposedly, Pohlad runs the Twins as a break-even enterprise. I haven't seen the books, but I can't say I find fault with that. The Twins have done good by themselves, and as a result have a good team, but not a great one. Gardenhire is an unstable manager without any set plans that calls out his young players in the paper and says nothing about the veterans that are stinking up the joint, and allows his old minor league roommate Scott Ulger to remain the Twins hitting coach, what with all the success the offense has had. Ryan has built the best collection of young arms in any farm system in the majors but has failed to diversify that talent pool to include a few bats. He, like Gardenhire, has a sick vetran fetish too. Like letting David Ortiz walk when it would have cost $2 million to keep him, but giving Jaun Castro $1.05 million a season for two seasons.

If the Twins had done everthing perfectly, and still failed to reach the playoffs, then I'd entertain the suggestion that they are handicapped by a $60 million owner imposed salary cap. But there is much the Twins could have done to be better and didn't.
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Postby dorje3 » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:35 pm

joeg24 wrote:If my math is right

13 hitters faced


1 hit



9 k's


hello 2006


Is that right? I think you may have a broken key on your calculator. (Unless, of course, you posted this midway through his first start).
Regardless, I agree joe; great start for Liriano.
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Postby brandnew » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:46 pm

Yeah... Morneau hurt them big this year. But getting Kubel should help a lot next year, as well as hopefully the growth of Bartlett.

If they were to trade Nathan (would that not be a really smart move for them?), who do you think they could get in return?
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Postby looptid » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:53 pm

I wouldn't trade Nathan. He has been the best reliever in baseball since the start of the 2004 season. He just happens not to play in New York, Boston, or Los Angeles.
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