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Postby dyuen87 » Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:08 pm

theclefe wrote:Why not give whoever finishes second the AL Cy Young. No one is using it this season anyway. ;-D


haha i completely agree. you have the likes of a bartolo colon in the run for the AL Cy Young. man.. the shame... :*)
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Postby mweir145 » Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:37 pm

dyuen87 wrote:
theclefe wrote:Why not give whoever finishes second the AL Cy Young. No one is using it this season anyway. ;-D


haha i completely agree. you have the likes of a bartolo colon in the run for the AL Cy Young. man.. the shame... :*)

Santana is really making a push, but he needs a few more wins.
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Postby pokerplaya » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:40 pm

Although a few weeks ago I would have begrudgingly have given it to Clemens, right now I think my choice would actually be Carpenter. 20-4 191k's 2.28ERA, that's pretty nasty. Yes, Clemens has been absolutely superb, but Carpenter is right there too with 9 more wins and 30 more K's.
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Postby EnFuego » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:44 pm

dyuen87 wrote:
theclefe wrote:Why not give whoever finishes second the AL Cy Young. No one is using it this season anyway. ;-D


haha i completely agree. you have the likes of a bartolo colon in the run for the AL Cy Young. man.. the shame... :*)


Hey...look at the season Colon is having...better than any AL pitcher.
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Postby Red Stripe » Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:00 pm

You know its going to be Carp. You all know how the voters think, they think 20 Wins is like incredible and probably think thats a better achievement than a 1.57 ERA. Clemens should most definitely win and if he got the run support Carp does hed have more than 20 wins and less than 4 losses probably. But the voters put way too much emphasis on W-L records than the more important stats.
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Postby BaseballFann0008 » Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:01 pm

Red Stripe wrote:You know its going to be Carp. You all know how the voters think, they think 20 Wins is like incredible and probably think thats a better achievement than a 1.57 ERA. Clemens should most definitely win and if he got the run support Carp does hed have more than 20 wins and less than 4 losses probably. But the voters put way too much emphasis on W-L records than the more important stats.
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Postby vapormike » Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:01 pm

The thing that puts me in Clemens' corner is that if his team had gotten him even 1 or two runs in like 8 games, he would have one each game. If doesn't win the Cy Young it will be because of the Astros offence and not his pitching.
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Postby RAmst23 » Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:32 pm

Yes Clemens has the lower ERA, but I think this award can still go to Carpenter without too much fuss.

This year Carpenter has 7 Complete games, 4 of which are Shutouts. Clemens has 1 Complete game, no shutouts. Per game pitched this year, Carpenter on average pitches one inning more per game.

Also, Carpenter has a better K/BB ratio than Clemens along with 30 more innings pitched (roughly). So yes a 1.57 ERA is fantastic, but Carpenter has some great supporting statistics too.
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Postby curious_george_43545 » Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:36 pm

BaseballFann0008 wrote:
Red Stripe wrote:You know its going to be Carp. You all know how the voters think, they think 20 Wins is like incredible and probably think thats a better achievement than a 1.57 ERA. Clemens should most definitely win and if he got the run support Carp does hed have more than 20 wins and less than 4 losses probably. But the voters put way too much emphasis on W-L records than the more important stats.
yeah its ashame roger will lose to an less talented player, who will never come close to having a career like the rocket.


I fail to see how Roger having a better career effects who should get the award. Last time I checked the award wasn't for a fantastic pitching career, but for having the best pitching season in your league ;-7
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Postby BaseballFann0008 » Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:36 pm

RAmst23 wrote:Yes Clemens has the lower ERA, but I think this award can still go to Carpenter without too much fuss.

This year Carpenter has 7 Complete games, 4 of which are Shutouts. Clemens has 1 Complete game, no shutouts. Per game pitched this year, Carpenter on average pitches one inning more per game.

Also, Carpenter has a better K/BB ratio than Clemens along with 30 more innings pitched (roughly). So yes a 1.57 ERA is fantastic, but Carpenter has some great supporting statistics too.


ok so what stat is better HR or total bases?

ur comparing apples to oranges some stat categories mean more than others and ERA is the most important. Clemens is BETTER than Carpenter, there is no way you can honestly say Carp is better than him.
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