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Postby fewdawgz » Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:03 am

After tonight's game with Carp getting win #20 and Clemens dropping back(for clemen's that is) + injured hamstring, I think it's safe to assume the Card's Ace as the man to win it.

Carpenter 213IP 20-4 191K's 2.28 era

Clemens 189.1IP 11-6 169K's 1.57 era



My only question is does era have that much weight on it to make up for Clemens' other stats?

Either way IMO Carpenter, barring a meltdown in last few starts, has a big lead over Clemens in the NL Cy Young race.
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Postby nikku88 » Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:21 am

I think Carp will win it, but right now he doesn't deserve it over Clemens.
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Re: NL CY = Carpenter

Postby HOOTIE » Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:22 am

fewdawgz wrote:After tonight's game with Carp getting win #20 and Clemens dropping back(for clemen's that is) + injured hamstring, I think it's safe to assume the Card's Ace as the man to win it.

Carpenter 213IP 20-4 191K's 2.28 era

Clemens 189.1IP 11-6 169K's 1.57 era



My only question is does era have that much weight on it to make up for Clemens' other stats?

Either way IMO Carpenter, barring a meltdown in last few starts, has a big lead over Clemens in the NL Cy Young race.


Other then record, it's not a big lead. Clemens will get some 1st place votes. Clemens still leads in Win Shares and VORP. 20 wins will sway alot of writers, so Carpenter has a good shot, but imo Clemens still has been better.
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Postby Shadow of the Sun* » Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:50 am

I think the race is still close, but I would give the edge to Carp. What puts him over the top is the fact he has 30 more innings pitched than Clemens, which translates into 7 complete games while Clemens only has 1 complete game.

Complete games are extremely underrated given that they allow a team to rest their entire bullpen for the night. Plus, I think that the fact that Clemens hasn't pitched deep into games has been reflected in his win total. Yes, he has been excellent when he has pitched, but if he were able to pitch deeper into games he might have been able to earn a few more wins.

I think that the extra complete games and the wins give Carp the Cy Young over Clemens.

But there is still a month of ball to be played...
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Postby mweir145 » Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:03 am

You've got no arguments from me on the matter.
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Postby BaseballFann0008 » Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:21 am

1.57 era
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Postby Kingctb27 » Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:56 am

I am going with Carpenter now as well. 20 games and those "extra" stats is a lock.
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Postby Mustangs989 » Sun Sep 04, 2005 11:05 am

Carp will probably win but I think Clemens should. He's been the best pitcher so far this year.
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Sun Sep 04, 2005 11:23 am

I wouldn't be angry if either won. Carpenter has been straight up b-a-n-a-n-a-s the last few months though. What a steal he was in double digit rounds because people were worried about his bicep.
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Postby theclefe » Sun Sep 04, 2005 11:44 am

Why not give whoever finishes second the AL Cy Young. No one is using it this season anyway. ;-D
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