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Postby curious_george_43545 » Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:38 pm

Beltre, Beltran, Foulke :,-(
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Postby HOOTIE » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:11 pm

BobbyRoberto wrote:To Adrian Beltre supporters:

Adrian Beltre
1999 84 R, 15 HR, 67 RBI, .275/.352/.428, 780 OPS
2000 71 R, 20 HR, 85 RBI, .290/.360/.475, .835 OPS
2001 59 R, 13 HR, 60 RBI, .265/.310/.411, .721 OPS
2002 70 R, 21 HR, 75 RBI, .257/.303/.425, .729 OPS
2003 50 R, 23 HR, 80 RBI, .240/.290/.424, .714 OPS
2004 104 R, 48 HR, 121 RBI, .334/.388/.629, 1.017 OPS
2005 74 R, 22 HR, 93 RBI, .261/.304/.432, .736 OPS (projected #'s)

Now focus on those numbers for a second. Really take a minute to look at them. Do you see something strange there? Anything just jump out at you at all? Anything? Keep looking, perhaps it will come to you. Maybe it's like one of those magic pictures where an image appears if you focus long enough. Or maybe it's right there in front of your face, like it is for everyone else in the world.

Seriously, think of all the 3Bs available next year who should be taken ahead of Adrian Beltre:
A-Rod
David Wright
Aramis Ramirez
Morgan Ensberg
Chipper Jones
Melvin Mora
Eric Chavez
Troy Glaus
Hank Blalock
Miguel Cabrera (if he qualifies)


To be fair, Beltre was only 20 in 99. And he played 2 years hurt (40 lb. weight loss due to botched surgery). So to use his career stats so far, (extremely young age), (injury), is misleading. On a positive note, his 2nd half ops is almost 100 points higher, with a .881 ops in August. He's learning AL pitchers a bit more, I have him in 3 keepers, and am not worried. There's no way i take a Glaus, Mora, Chipper over him. And how many times has Ensberg had a year like this?
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Postby phr3ak » Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:22 am

Brad Wilkerson anyone?
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Postby Fantasy Guru » Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:50 am

You have to go with Helton.

At least in roto.

Only on the DL once, but otherwise hit around .250 with about 6 homers up until he returned from the DL. A month ago.

This from a guy who (Coors, steroid rumors or not) should hit .340, 38 homers, and over 100 rbi.
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Postby Real_Deal_Ryan » Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:18 am

HOOTIE wrote:
BobbyRoberto wrote:To Adrian Beltre supporters:

Adrian Beltre
1999 84 R, 15 HR, 67 RBI, .275/.352/.428, 780 OPS
2000 71 R, 20 HR, 85 RBI, .290/.360/.475, .835 OPS
2001 59 R, 13 HR, 60 RBI, .265/.310/.411, .721 OPS
2002 70 R, 21 HR, 75 RBI, .257/.303/.425, .729 OPS
2003 50 R, 23 HR, 80 RBI, .240/.290/.424, .714 OPS
2004 104 R, 48 HR, 121 RBI, .334/.388/.629, 1.017 OPS
2005 74 R, 22 HR, 93 RBI, .261/.304/.432, .736 OPS (projected #'s)

Now focus on those numbers for a second. Really take a minute to look at them. Do you see something strange there? Anything just jump out at you at all? Anything? Keep looking, perhaps it will come to you. Maybe it's like one of those magic pictures where an image appears if you focus long enough. Or maybe it's right there in front of your face, like it is for everyone else in the world.

Seriously, think of all the 3Bs available next year who should be taken ahead of Adrian Beltre:
A-Rod
David Wright
Aramis Ramirez
Morgan Ensberg
Chipper Jones
Melvin Mora
Eric Chavez
Troy Glaus
Hank Blalock
Miguel Cabrera (if he qualifies)


To be fair, Beltre was only 20 in 99. And he played 2 years hurt (40 lb. weight loss due to botched surgery). So to use his career stats so far, (extremely young age), (injury), is misleading. On a positive note, his 2nd half ops is almost 100 points higher, with a .881 ops in August. He's learning AL pitchers a bit more, I have him in 3 keepers, and am not worried. There's no way i take a Glaus, Mora, Chipper over him. And how many times has Ensberg had a year like this?


Ensberg has had a year like this before, well similar, when he was SPLITTING time with Mike Lamb.
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Postby quicksilver8 » Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:12 pm

I'll throw Randy Johnson and Scott Rolen out there...

Johnson, I knew to stay away from, but Rolen = sucked and then hurt. :-(
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Postby Dawgpound 1613 » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:38 am

BobbyRoberto wrote:To Adrian Beltre supporters:

Adrian Beltre
1999 84 R, 15 HR, 67 RBI, .275/.352/.428, 780 OPS
2000 71 R, 20 HR, 85 RBI, .290/.360/.475, .835 OPS
2001 59 R, 13 HR, 60 RBI, .265/.310/.411, .721 OPS
2002 70 R, 21 HR, 75 RBI, .257/.303/.425, .729 OPS
2003 50 R, 23 HR, 80 RBI, .240/.290/.424, .714 OPS
2004 104 R, 48 HR, 121 RBI, .334/.388/.629, 1.017 OPS
2005 74 R, 22 HR, 93 RBI, .261/.304/.432, .736 OPS (projected #'s)

Now focus on those numbers for a second. Really take a minute to look at them. Do you see something strange there? Anything just jump out at you at all? Anything? Keep looking, perhaps it will come to you. Maybe it's like one of those magic pictures where an image appears if you focus long enough. Or maybe it's right there in front of your face, like it is for everyone else in the world.

Seriously, think of all the 3Bs available next year who should be taken ahead of Adrian Beltre:
A-Rod
David Wright
Aramis Ramirez
Morgan Ensberg
Chipper Jones
Melvin Mora
Eric Chavez
Troy Glaus
Hank Blalock
Miguel Cabrera (if he qualifies)


One of these things is not like the other. One of these things doesn't belong.

Personally, any player who is injure for any significant period of time is going to underachieve - which is why I don't think of them as underachieving.

As such, Beltre, Beltran, Lowell and, to some extent, Randy are the biggest underachievers to me.

Players like Bonds, Gagne, Thome, Ollie, etc. are disappointments to be sure, but not underachievers.
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