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Postby Yoda » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:23 am

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Yoda wrote:OK now you are taking the other extreme. You can't start comparing Felix to Clemens and RJ now.


You are actually misunderstanding me. I am in no way comparing Felix to either Clemens or RJ. I just responded to the comment that Felix's era "has been steadily climbing". I simply said that no one could have an ERA of under 1. Not even Clemens or RJ. So it was inevitable that Felix's ERA would climb.
In no way am I ready to pontificate a comparison between Felix and either of those two. Or to anyone else for that matter. He's got the goods to be great, but it is FAR too early to project his career. It is not too early to hope that I can ride him in my playoffs.


I agree. He's been great thus far and there is no question you should ride him out. He is young and I noticed he's getting the benefit of the doubt by the umps right now. It will be interesting to see how he adjusts and whether he will stay healthy or not.

Prime examples are Prior and Beckett. Two of the most talented young pitchers when they broke into the league. Dominant when healthy but both are having problems staying healthy and consistent.
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Postby theclefe » Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:18 am

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theclefe wrote:It is Duke until I say so... or Felix gets another 4 wins. King Felix's ERA has been steadily climbing since his second start, so lets not get ahead of ourselves.


There's no way you can be serious. ERA steadily climbing? To what, his 1.84 current ERA? Did you think that his .69 ERA would hold steady? RJ in his prime could not hold that ERA. Clemens this year could not hold that ERA. King Felix has 45 k's to 9 walks. His WHIP is an unbelievable .82. That's not even a number. There are some relivers who would kill for an Era & Whip like that. He is simply dominating his opposition. Last night against the 'Yanks, he was efforlessly throwing 98 in the 7th & 8th innings. The Yankees got 2 early homers and then could not touch him.

Now Duke has been great. But his numbers look like this: 1.81 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 44 k's & 16 walks. You cannot just point to Duke having more wins as an indicator that he has been the better pitcher.
Duke also gets to face 2 virtual automatic outs (8th place hitter & the pitcher) every 3 innings. Felix gets to tango with the DH.


Just a quick look a back. Now that King Felix has gotten his game total up a bit, lets see how the great savior compares this season with Duke.

Duke:
11 games, 6-1, 1.84 ERA, 1.21 Whip, 48ks, 18 walks

Felix:
9 games, 3-4, 2.95 ERA, 1.02 Whip, 59ks, 16 walks

Verdict: Duke has pitched better this season.
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Postby TB13 » Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:39 pm

theclefe wrote:Just a quick look a back. Now that King Felix has gotten his game total up a bit, lets see how the great savior compares this season with Duke.

Duke:
11 games, 6-1, 1.84 ERA, 1.21 Whip, 48ks, 18 walks

Felix:
9 games, 3-4, 2.95 ERA, 1.02 Whip, 59ks, 16 walks

Verdict: Duke has pitched better this season.


Oh, please. You sat there and waited for Felix to hit a bump in the road. So after two mediocre games, you decided to repost this? If he now has two great games, should I bring this up again? Just wait. It'll swing back the other way.
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Postby TB13 » Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:09 pm

theclefe wrote:Just a quick look a back. Now that King Felix has gotten his game total up a bit, lets see how the great savior compares this season with Duke.

Duke:
11 games, 6-1, 1.84 ERA, 1.21 Whip, 48ks, 18 walks

Felix:
9 games, 3-4, 2.95 ERA, 1.02 Whip, 59ks, 16 walks

Verdict: Duke has pitched better this season.


Is it time to update this again? You seemed to have wanted to wait until Felix had a rough game or two before bringing this up. Now they had one more game each.
King: 2.63 era 65 K's, 19 walks, .980 WHIP
Duke: 1.94 ear, 49 K's, 21 walks, 1.22 WHIP
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Postby theclefe » Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:13 pm

TB13 wrote:
theclefe wrote:Just a quick look a back. Now that King Felix has gotten his game total up a bit, lets see how the great savior compares this season with Duke.

Duke:
11 games, 6-1, 1.84 ERA, 1.21 Whip, 48ks, 18 walks

Felix:
9 games, 3-4, 2.95 ERA, 1.02 Whip, 59ks, 16 walks

Verdict: Duke has pitched better this season.


Oh, please. You sat there and waited for Felix to hit a bump in the road. So after two mediocre games, you decided to repost this? If he now has two great games, should I bring this up again? Just wait. It'll swing back the other way.


I didn't wait for him to hit a bump in the road. I waited for him to get more games under his belt, like I stated earlier in the post. And with more games, he is proving to be a very good pitcher. That said, Duke has had an incredible rookie season as his number reflect. I don't imagine either could keep a sub-2.00 ERA for a full year, but when this discussion started Duke was clearly having a more impressive season. I am just proving that the king needed more games under his belt to fully compare.

To placate you, Felix has now pitched 10 games:

10 games, 4-4, 2.63 ERA, .98 Whip 65 k's, 19 walks
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