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Postby RynMan » Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:32 pm

KoopaTroopa211 wrote:If the Marlins get the Wild Card spot in the NL, I call Todd Jones as a surprise Cy Young winner this year.


That's a bold call, however no way do I see it happening. :-/
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Postby Red Stripe » Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:36 pm

KoopaTroopa211 wrote:If the Marlins get the Wild Card spot in the NL, I call Todd Jones as a surprise Cy Young winner this year.


Hes been good, but not Cy Young good, and plus hes a closer if a closer is going to win the award theyd have to have Mariano Rivera numbers before his recent poor blown saves and loss like 2 weeks ago.
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Postby BaseballFann0008 » Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:10 pm

Red Stripe wrote:
KoopaTroopa211 wrote:If the Marlins get the Wild Card spot in the NL, I call Todd Jones as a surprise Cy Young winner this year.


Hes been good, but not Cy Young good, and plus hes a closer if a closer is going to win the award theyd have to have Mariano Rivera numbers before his recent poor blown saves and loss like 2 weeks ago.
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:27 pm

Carpenter gets so unlucky this year by having his monster season the same year Clemens goes like sub 2.00 ERA... :-b
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Postby SimpleAsThat » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:46 pm

While Clemens ERA is certainly impressive, there's a reason that the voters consider a pitcher's wins. The point of a game is to win and not to have the lowest ERA. What is better, getting 30 wins in a year or having an ERA under 2.00? When I pitched in high school, all I cared about was wins and didn't even know my ERA. Granted, I wasn't any good, but that's beside the point.

If I were voting, I would pick Carpenter over Clemens. Just my opinion.
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Postby HOOTIE » Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:19 pm

SimpleAsThat wrote:While Clemens ERA is certainly impressive, there's a reason that the voters consider a pitcher's wins. The point of a game is to win and not to have the lowest ERA. What is better, getting 30 wins in a year or having an ERA under 2.00? When I pitched in high school, all I cared about was wins and didn't even know my ERA. Granted, I wasn't any good, but that's beside the point.

If I were voting, I would pick Carpenter over Clemens. Just my opinion.


Of course the point is to win, but winning comes from 25, not one. You could throw a no hitter every start, and not win once in theory. A win, while dependent on the SP performance, also depends on defense, run support, bullpen. A sp doesn't control those 3. So why should he get penalized for it? It's a little easier pitching for St. Louis. St. Louis is 13.5 games ahead of Houston. The Cards have scored 100 more runs. Clemens has 8 games where he didn't give up a run, and his team failed to score. How could Clemens win those 8? He can't. nor anyone else. It's the 1st time since Randy Jones in 76 was so snake bitten. Carpenter has gotton 1.5 runs more per 9 innings. Superman wouldn't beat Carpenter in wins with Clemens luck.
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Postby JTWood » Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:25 pm

HOOTIE wrote:Superman wouldn't beat Carpenter in wins with Clemens luck.

Well, duh! Superman doesn't have anything after fastball-changeup. You need at least three pitches to start in the Majors.

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Postby Pogotheostrich » Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:48 am

I don't normally care for Jayson Stark but I really like this article.
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Postby Yoda » Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:13 pm

The fact that the Astros scored 0 runs in 8 of his starts will weigh very heavily. If Clemens does finish the season with an ERA around 1.50, he will get a lot more votes than you think. No matter how many Ws Carpenter ends up with won't change the fact that Clemens has been the best pitcher this season and arguably the last 30+ years.
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Postby pokerplaya » Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:19 pm

Yoda wrote:The fact that the Astros scored 0 runs in 8 of his starts will weigh very heavily. If Clemens does finish the season with an ERA around 1.50, he will get a lot more votes than you think. No matter how many Ws Carpenter ends up with won't change the fact that Clemens has been the best pitcher this season and arguably the last 30+ years.


Clemens sheer notoriety will get him votes. The fact that his ERA is 1.50 is amazing, but I can't see him winning. No pitcher in the last 20 years has not won the CY Young that has 23 wins. I can't see Carpenter not winning it...but then again, I thought RJ should have taken it last year....
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