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Postby djack909 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:36 am

Some say it's the pitching. Some say it's Torre. I went to the game tonight. The pitchers gave Torre 8 innings of 5 hit shut-out pitching. How come Torre couldn't win with that ? Was he in the men's room during the 5th ? edit: Sorry, I thought I was placing this in game commentory.
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Postby RynMan » Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:39 am

You don't know what you are starting.....

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Re: What's wrong with the Yankees ?

Postby mweir145 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:40 am

djack909 wrote:Some say it's the pitching. Some say it's Torre. I went to the game tonight. The pitchers gave Torre 8 innings of 5 hit shut-out pitching. How come Torre couldn't win with that ? Was he in the men's room during the 5th ?

No, it's just the Jays. Live it and learn it. :-D
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Postby TheYanks04 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:34 am

Oh...well why not.

1. When you give up 9 runs you are supposed to lose. Does not matter if all of those 9 come in 1 inning or across the board.

2. Brian (aka "Clueless") Cashman. I could write a book about this guy's cluelessness and ineptness. I have been bashing this guy for 3 years now. Just about every pitcher this guy touches turns into instant garbage (or was garbage to start with). What Cashman knows about baseball in general an pitching in particular could be written on a small Post-It and you would have room left over.
You create a team with a starting staff of Wright, Pavano, Brown, RJ and Moose and you wonder why things blow up as 3 of the 5 end up on the DL and one is 40+ and implodes (RJ).
The list of Cashman busts or as I call them the Cashman follies: Wright, Pavano, Brown, Weaver, Vazquez, Hammond, Witasik, Heredia, Gabe White, Stanton II, Quantrill, Embree, Miceli, Osuna, Acevedo, Fossas, Orosco, Benitez, Choate, RonDL, Womack, Enrique Wilson, etc. There are undoubetedly ones I missed. His good moves are far less numerous.

3. Torre. Ever since the 2003 WS and his inexplicable and inexcuseable Weaver move, he has been a total disaster of a manager on the field. Weaver, to the use of Heredia and others last year and the overuse of Gordon in 04 to the point where his arm was shot by Sept and only Torre did not acknowledge it, to a complete mishandling and fouling up of the ALCS in 2004 (at least 5 or 6 questionable managerial moves and/or pitching decisions). This year we see the Embrees and Leiters being used and the Smalls sent to the pen. Torre is the only man in all NY that seems to think Embree has talent.

4. The Minor League development group headed by Mark Newman has been inept and incompetent for YEARS and somehow he manages not to get hinself fired by George. Newman must be an A number 1 crawler. A minor league system that has not developed a quality SP since Pettitte in 95 or a quality position player since Soriano/Posada and yet Newman still keeps his job.

5. Stottlemeyer. This guy could not fix a light switch anymore. I do not know if anyone could have fixed some of the losers and gutless, excuse making wusses we have been saddled with the past 3 or so years, but Stottlemeyer just seems lost out there. It may not be all his fault and vaunted pitching guru Billy "I am even more Clueless than the GM" Conners has been just as inept, but he is never going to be compared to Leo Mazzone that is for sure.
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Postby no1cowboysfan » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:44 am

I'm still sticking with pitching. 4 and a half earned runs a game isn't exactly flashy. And to think LAD is just behind them too... I thought our pitching was actually good... :,-(
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Postby NZF » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:15 am

In a word...... Stottlemeyer.

I can't think of one pitcher that has gone through the Yankees set-up in the past few years who has improved.

I can think of plenty who improved as soon as they left and I can think of plenty who regressed after they got there.

Stottlemeyer is a joke who is years past his use by date and how he still remains employed as the Yankees pitching coach is one of lifes great mysteries.
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Postby wrveres » Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:57 am

What's wrong with the Yankees ?

:-D

this is going to get ugly ..

What's wrong with the Yankees ?
Should we cover .

this Week?
this Month?
this Year?
this Decade?

What's wrong with the Yankees ?

Maybe we should get into how they have destoyed modern baseball as we know it.
I'd love to talk about that actually.

What's wrong with the Yankees ?
Or .. We can get into thier hypoctical fans when it comes to steriods.

What's wrong with the Yankees ?

there is too much to list, and my blood will begin to boil ...
So we better not go there ..

What's wrong with the Yankees ?


..

..

THEY SUCK!
Thats what wrong .. :-]
(is that enough baiting?)
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Re: What's wrong with the Yankees ?

Postby BaseballFann0008 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:44 am

mweir145 wrote:
djack909 wrote:Some say it's the pitching. Some say it's Torre. I went to the game tonight. The pitchers gave Torre 8 innings of 5 hit shut-out pitching. How come Torre couldn't win with that ? Was he in the men's room during the 5th ?

No, it's just the Jays. Live it and learn it. :-D
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Postby Rirruto » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:11 am

Does anyone think the minor league system is subpar has something to do with the better prospects coming out of HS, college, and JuCo don't want to commit to them since the Yankees pretty much sign a free agent whenever they need another player?l At least that's how the recent trend is playing out.
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Postby blankman » Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:45 am

New Zealand Fan wrote:In a word...... Stottlemeyer.

I can't think of one pitcher that has gone through the Yankees set-up in the past few years who has improved.

I can think of plenty who improved as soon as they left and I can think of plenty who regressed after they got there.

Stottlemeyer is a joke who is years past his use by date and how he still remains employed as the Yankees pitching coach is one of lifes great mysteries.


I've had enough of Mel as well. :-[
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