RugbyD wrote:That is a twisted reading. You have obviously never benn drunk, passed out, woken under totally unexpected circumstances. Not to mention tasered repeatedly while already in a total daze, thus compounding the problem.
No, I've never been so drunk that I didn't understand:
"This is the police! Put your hands where I can see them."
I've been so drunk I had to go to the hospital with alcohol poisoning, but never been to drunk to understand cops with guns telling me to put my hands where they can see them.
RugbyD wrote:"what if he had a gun?"
i dunno, is it standard practice for people passed out and non-responsive in a sleepingbag at a relatives home to be packing heat with an itchy trigger finger? There is also now way the cops didn't know they were dealing with a heavily inebriated person. If they can smell trace amounts of alcohol on a driver's breath, they would be overwhemled by the stench of a drunk passed out sweating his ass off in a sleeping bag in the middle summer.
What if he wasn't passed out in that sleeping blanket, he was the armed suspect they were looking for, and only trying to lure the cops off balance so he could take them both out? Normally houses are air conditioned, so the sweating doesn't come into play and it doesn't take much to spill a bottle of booze on the sleeping blanket.
I know all of that sounds farfetched to anyone who doesn't really analyze it, but how much trouble do we watch people go to in order to attempt to avoid capture? It's not nearly as farfetched as it first sounds.
RugbyD wrote:Madison, you often take the side of moderately coercive abuses of power, which is understandable to a degree, but this is way over the top, even for you. I am disappointed
. I would rather you be the person who would argue that world is 6000 years old in the ID thread.
The world is older than 6000 years?
I kid, I kid.
Why does everyone get caught up in me showing another way to look at this, and completely overlook the very first words I posted in the thread? A refresher:
Madison wrote:I do believe the Cops went overboard
You would think I wrote the cops were 100% right in what they did based on you guy's responses to what I wrote.
Boggles the mind that we're just supposed to believe the cops went overboard, and trash them, without even considering the things that they have to consider with their lives on the line. A story like this is all fun and games to us, but those officers know that the person in the sleeping bag very well could kill them, and have to act accordingly. Now, did they go overboard? Yes, I believe they did, but at the same time, I'm not going to trash them without seeing the video. Not surprised that others do, but in this case, I cannot.
Lofunzo wrote:Couldn't they have just cuffed him as he slept, though?? I wasn't there but it seems like they had the opportunity.
When? According to the story, when they opened the sleeping bag, he closed it back up.
Kolp pulls on the sleeping bag. Hansen - clearly disoriented - tries to pull it back over his head,
Hansen pulls it
back over his head meaning it was over his head to begin with. If it's over his head, how are they supposed to cuff him? How do they know he's even asleep?
Again so it's clear, I do believe the cops overreacted and were out of line, but unless anyone has actually seen the video, we're not in a position to trash their actions. We were not there and we do not put our lives on the line taking down criminals that don't care if they kill us, each and every single day. Odds are that we will never see the video, so whatever the courts say will be good enough for me.
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Sick of those who are spineless.
Sick of those who feel self-entitled.
Sick of those who are hypocrites.
Yes doctor, an army is forming.
Yes doctor, there will be a war.
Yes doctor, there will be blood.....
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