baseball6791 wrote: HOOTIE wrote:
davidmarver wrote:Just as a warning, I wouldn't use save percentage to justify your argument...I've been using it for ages with no avail (apparently winning % is the better measure for closers...go figure.)
No one has said that. Pitcher wins (how many wins he helped his team win). Save % has as many holes as swiss cheese.
Not looking to start an arguement, but rather I'm just interested, how is save % a bogus stat or have as many holes as swiss cheese, and why is pitcher wins a better stat?
Saves and blown saves imo, are the worst stats in bb. So many variables behond the closers control.
There are frequent 1-2-3 run saves. The guy pitching a 1 run save more often, is going to blow more.
Coming in with runners on. Those aren't the rp fault those guys are on, yet if they score, blown save.
Amount of outs needed to get save. Each extra out needed reduces save %.
A guy coming in with a 3 run lead shouldn't get the same stat (save), as a guy coming in with a 1 run lead. Same goes if there are runners on. A 1 out save shouldn't be rewarded like a 4 out save. Save % is simply a terrible stat. Jose Mesa has a better career save % then Goosage. Why? Gossage pitched 4-6 outs most the time. Mesa pitched 3 or less outs most the time, with a cushion lead. Todays closers get cheap easy saves, making their save % very high.