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Postby eftda » Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:28 pm

Tavish wrote:Dick Allen. By far the most deserving player not in the Hall of Fame and never even got more than 19% of the vote in the 10 years he was on the ballot.


What a shock, he played after Dimaggio. :-P Writers shouldn't have the right to vote in players to the Hall of Fame.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:53 am

Stan Musial. He wasn't even selected to the All-Century team. 8-o
Apparently playing at the same time as Ted Williams makes you more forgettable in the eyes of the casual fan.
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Postby WharfRat » Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:44 am

Pogotheostrich wrote:Stan Musial. He wasn't even selected to the All-Century team. 8-o
Apparently playing at the same time as Ted Williams makes you more forgettable in the eyes of the casual fan.


That's shocking, I didn't know that. :-t
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Postby Tavish » Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:19 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:Stan Musial. He wasn't even selected to the All-Century team. 8-o
Apparently playing at the same time as Ted Williams makes you more forgettable in the eyes of the casual fan.


Sure he was, well at least in a way. The All-Century team was a downright bad idea because it was based on the fans' vote, most of which have no concept of baseball history other than the players they have seen and Babe Ruth. Musial made the team through a special panel selection. Its not that big of an insult considering some of the other players who got on through that route include Honus Wagner (the greatest SS of all time) and Lefty Grove (the greatest LHP of all time). Big 6 and Warren Spahn also had to be selected through the special panel.

BTW Musial recieved 570,000+ votes from the fans (about 50,000 shy of making the cut). Tris Speaker who is widely considered the greatest defensive CF as well as one of the greatest offensive players of all time recieved 85,000 votes (less than Lou Brock, Tony Gywnn, and Reggie Jackson). Pretty silly.
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Postby Arlo » Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:50 am

Most underrated ever? Tough question...

Stan Hack comes to mind.
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Postby reznorsboy » Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:58 am

Position player: Andre "the Hawk" Dawson. This guy was amazing throughout his career and never really got his due. He did win the MVP but he wasn't inducted into the hall for some reason.

Pitcher. Tom Henke. This guy was known just like the Hawk was known but once again didn't get all the credit that he should have for his tremendous play.
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Postby HOOTIE » Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:03 pm

davidmarver wrote:Just as a warning, I wouldn't use save percentage to justify your argument...I've been using it for ages with no avail (apparently winning % is the better measure for closers...go figure.)


No one has said that. Pitcher wins (how many wins he helped his team win). Save % has as many holes as swiss cheese.
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Postby DannyMyron89 » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:05 pm

for underated i have to say Rogers Hornsby

for all the amazing numbers he put up he is never mentioned in the greratest htiters ever

the only hitter to hit 400 and 40 homers

almost did it twice

easily the greatest right hand hitter to ever play check out his numbers

he also owns the record for highest batting average in a season in the modern era (424)
how did colon win the cy young??

the world is comming to an end...woody paige has a Hall of Fame vote
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Postby Belle4Hall88 » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:24 am

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Postby baseball6791 » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:32 am

HOOTIE wrote:
davidmarver wrote:Just as a warning, I wouldn't use save percentage to justify your argument...I've been using it for ages with no avail (apparently winning % is the better measure for closers...go figure.)


No one has said that. Pitcher wins (how many wins he helped his team win). Save % has as many holes as swiss cheese.


Not looking to start an arguement, but rather I'm just interested, how is save % a bogus stat or have as many holes as swiss cheese, and why is pitcher wins a better stat?
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