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Postby The_Met_Threat » Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:08 pm

People undervalue closers because most of the time they dont do as much for your team as a hitter or an sp. Noone really wants to focus on specific stats in the first few rounds. Thats why people wait on speed and saves. Closers normally don't help your k's maybe the highest being around 130 k's a year, but teh average is like 70. ERA and whip is not affected that much by closers having great stats. And saves well saves is specific. In the first few rounds you can get a hitter with great hr, rbi, runs, avg and sometimes even speed. Or an SP who has wins, great k's, a good era and whip. The ranks on yahoo arent great because some of these closers have a 1 era and less than 1 whip, and really they dont pitch enough innings for it to affect it. But on the ranks a 1 era through 60 ip is the same as a 1 era through 200 ip.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:45 pm

People are wrong. A closer can do as much for your team as a hitter or SP.

A players' value is a combination of all the things they do, and the best way to judge that is by a player's overall value. The ranks in yahoo adjust for the effect of IP, so your assumption is wrong.

In general hitters are better picks.

But there are always exceptions to the rule.

Good players know when to take advantage of those exceptions.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:11 pm

Gee...no one wants Beltre in the first round hey?

What a surprise now that he got his money and is off them roids.
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Postby mamorris » Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:45 am

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:The ranks in yahoo adjust for the effect of IP, so your assumption is wrong.


Do you know this for sure? I've been trying to work that one out for a while now, but I can't prove it one way or the other.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:44 am

mamorris wrote:
GotowarMissAgnes wrote:The ranks in yahoo adjust for the effect of IP, so your assumption is wrong.


Do you know this for sure? I've been trying to work that one out for a while now, but I can't prove it one way or the other.


One way you can tell is by what it takes to get a reliever ranked highly. Rivera and Cordero are the only closers ranked in the top 10, and their ERA and 1.2 to 2.7 points lower than everyone not named Clemens. If those were not being weighted by IP, they would dominate the rest.
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Postby baseballnewb » Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:30 am

1. Arod - sorry but 3B has way less depth than 1B, its not even close.
2. Pujols - Best hitter in the game.
3. Vlad
4. Tejada - Position eligibility is huge here.
5. Abreu - 5 tool players are huge.
6. Manny - assuming boston's team is intact
7. Cabrera - he is the real deal
8. Teix - As long as he stays in texas, a hitters dream
9. Soriano - position means a lot, but I dont' think he'll repeat this year and if he's traded his value probably goes down.
10. Pedro - age is not a concern yet and consistancy says he will repeat.
11. Peavy - been a complete stud for 2 years straight
12. Crawford - Not a popular choice but he is a top 15 hitter this year who gives 5 categories and is young enough he should improve. Also on the wrap around there is tons of power to be taken but little speed in the 2nd round other than maybe ichiro.
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Postby BaseballFann0008 » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:30 am

I dont like Cabrera in the first round...Im just not feeling it for him. Yeah I know I'm crazy.
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Postby Vetterstrom » Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:25 am

BaseballFann0008 wrote:I dont like Cabrera in the first round...Im just not feeling it for him. Yeah I know I'm crazy.



I don't see what's not to like. To me, he's a younger version of Manny with room for improvement.
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Postby BaseballFann0008 » Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:36 pm

injury-prone

MCAB = Ken Griffey Jr.
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Postby raiders_umpire » Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:40 pm

BaseballFann0008 wrote:injury-prone

MCAB = Ken Griffey Jr.




:-o :-o reasoning???????


he played 160 out of 162 games last year,,, and so far this year has played 120 out of 122 games.... do you have anything that can possibly refute that right there?????????
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