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Postby davidmarver » Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:40 am

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) -- Fed up with what it considers ``hostile'' and ``abusive'' American Indian nicknames, the NCAA announced Friday it would shut those words and images out of postseason tournaments, a move that left some school officials angry and threatening legal action.

Starting in February, any school with a nickname or logo considered racially or ethnically ``hostile'' or ``abusive'' by the NCAA would be prohibited from using them in postseason events. Mascots will not be allowed to perform at tournament games, and band members and cheerleaders will also be barred from using American Indians on their uniforms beginning in 2008.

Major college football teams are not subject to the ban because there is no official NCAA tournament.

Affected schools were quick to complain, and Florida State -- home of the Seminoles -- threatened legal action.

``That the NCAA would now label our close bond with the Seminole people as culturally 'hostile and abusive' is both outrageous and insulting,'' Florida State president T.K. Wetherell said in a statement.

``I intend to pursue all legal avenues to ensure that this unacceptable decision is overturned, and that this university will forever be associated with the 'unconquered' spirit of the Seminole Tribe of Florida,'' he added.

The committee also recommended that schools follow the examples of Wisconsin and Iowa by refusing to schedule contests against schools that use American Indian nicknames.

While NCAA officials admit they still can't force schools to change nicknames or logos, they are making a statement they believe is long overdue. Eighteen mascots, including Florida State's Seminole and Illinois' Illini, were on the list of offenders.

Those schools will not be permitted to host future NCAA tournament games, and if events have already been awarded to those sites, the school must cover any logos or nicknames that appear.

``Certainly some things remain to be answered from today, and one of those things is the definition of what is 'hostile or abusive,''' said Tom Hardy, a spokesman at Illinois.

The NCAA did not give a clear answer on that.

President Myles Brand noted that some schools using the Warrior nickname will not face sanctions because they do not use Indian symbols. One school, North Carolina-Pembroke -- which uses the nickname Braves -- will also be exempted because Brand said the school has historically had a high percentage of students, more than 20 percent, who are American Indians.

``We believe hostile or abusive nicknames are troubling to us and it can't continue,'' committee chairman Walter Harrison said. ``We're trying to send a message, very strongly, saying that these mascots are not appropriate for NCAA championships.''

The decision, however, quickly evoked passions and complaints from both sides.

At Florida State, Wetherell said the NCAA was trying to embarrass the school for using its nickname, even though the Seminole Tribe of Florida has given the university permission to continue using it.

``Other Seminole tribes are not supportive,'' said Charlotte Westerhaus, the NCAA vice president for diversity and inclusion.

Supporters also were unhappy.

Vernon Bellecourt, president of the National Coalition on Racism in Sports and Media and a member of the Anishinabe-Ojibwe Nation in Minnesota, approved of the ban but had hoped the NCAA would take even stronger action.

``We're not so happy about the fact that they didn't make the decision to ban the use of Indian team names and mascots,'' he said.

Harrison, president at the University of Hartford, said the executive committee does not have the authority to do that, and schools can still appeal their inclusion on the list.

Brand and Harrison said they hoped school officials would pursue policy changes through the NCAA first, before going to court.

``I suspect that some of those would like to having a ruling on that,'' Brand said. ``But unless there is a change before Feb. 1, they will have to abide by it.''

Two years ago, the NCAA recommended schools determine for themselves whether Indian depictions were offensive.

Among the schools to change nicknames in recent years were St. John's (from Redmen to Red Storm) and Marquette (from Warriors to Golden Eagles).

But that hasn't changed opinions on either side.

``They're not willing to give up this money,'' Bellecourt said, referring to merchandising revenue. ``We would hope that it (the decision) was the handwriting on the wall that would urge them to drop these team names and mascots.''

In other actions, the executive committee approved:

-- Imposing stronger penalties for schools that fall well below the NCAA's new academic scoring system. Harrison said teams would receive a warning letter the first year; restrictions on scholarships, recruiting and playing time the second year; and a postseason ban the third year. If a school fails to meet the standard four consecutive years, all teams at that school would be ineligible for postseason play.

-- Rewarding schools that perform consistently well in the classroom with public recognition and additional money. Schools that make significant improvements may also be singled out for recognition.

-- Not penalizing schools for athletes who leave when circumstances are deemed beyond the control of the athlete or school. Included among the measure would be the dropping of programs or majors, or the death of a family member. Departures because of coaching changes would not be included. Schools could also salvage one point in the new academic measurement if underclassmen are academically eligible when they are drafted and would receive a bonus point if an underclassmen returned to complete his or her degree.

-- A two-year contract extension for Brand. His deal was to run through Dec. 31, 2007 and now includes an indefinite two-year rollover.

-- Recommended schools re-examine their policies regarding alcohol sales and advertising.


I'll put my take on it later, but the list of upper division schools affected is:
Alcorn State Braves
Central Michigan Chippewas
Florida State Seminoles
Utah Utes
Bradley Braves
Arkansas State Indians
Illinois Illini
Louisiana-Monroe Indians
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Postby AT » Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:48 am

I was unstoppable with the Chippewas in NCAA March Madness 2003 for Play Station 2. This saddens me greatly. What a coincidence though. I was just watching The Sopranos episode with the Columbus Day parade from Season 4 last night.
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Postby reznorsboy » Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:31 am

What a joke!! :-t People have nothing better to do. I don't think that these teams used indian names as a mokery of the american indian. I'm sure they picked the name because it sounded cool or looks cool or inspires confidence. They should take it as a reason to cry racism. :-t
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Postby Madison » Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:59 am

Ok, might as well do away with the Cowboys, or anything Cowboy related too. ;-7
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Postby warrick95 » Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:27 am

The funny part is...the Florida State Seminoles have PERMISSION from the Seminole Tribe of Florida to use the name "Seminoles." In fact, the tribe is happy to do so and is proud that their heritage is being spread in exposure. I have not heard anywhere that other Seminole tribes are unsupportive. In fact, most Native Americans are fine with teams using their names as college nicknames.

It's incredible how the NCAA thinks they're doing the right thing by protecting Native Americans. The irony here is that they're not helping them but not listening to what they're saying: they don't care that their tribe names are being used as college nicknames.

The nickname is a good one, too, as it isn't absolutely random as many nicknames are today (e.g. Missouri Tigers). The Seminole tribe is important to Florida, being the last Eastern tribe standing, even though they were located moreso in the swamp area later on. Plus, who would know what a Seminole was before reading about them in HS if not for Florida State?

Under the same basis, why are these names allowed?
Notre Dame Fighting Irish...now, does ND even have permission from Ireland to use the name? Irish is an ethnicity, but also countrymen, too. It'd be politically correct for them to be the Notre Dame Fighting Irish-Americans
University of Louisiana at Lafayette Ragin Cajuns...the NCAA probably thinks Cajun is a type of food, like barbeque. Or maybe a hot pepper, like a jalapeno. Cajuns are a group of people, too. To make matter worse, the use of the word "ragin" insinuates that Cajuns are all red-blooded, bellicose people.
Under the same terms, shouldn't animal names be banned, too? I mean, is it right to use animals' names as nicknames for schools? Isn't that derogatory for animals, too? Perhaps we should ban all animal names. We'd better get rid of the Miami Hurricanes, too. Perhaps Floridians who have been devastated by them are offended by their use?

In the end, if you look at it from this perspective, there'll only be a few politically correct nicknames. Those would be the colors, such as Stanford Cardinal or Syracuse Orange and names such as the Tennessee Volunteers.
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Postby BigMusky » Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:57 am

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I dont think this really affects Illinois at all. Chief never travels anywhere anyway. I dont think any uniforms have the chief symbol on them. Any most tournements are at the United Center and not CHampaign...I dont think there are any Chief symbols there anyway. The Chief wears authentic wardrobe, dances and authentic dance...so how is that offensive? There are no Illini Indians alive anymore or anyone with any blood line to the tribe because they were whiped out by another indian tribe. So if Illinois loses its Illini nickname then it will be a forgotten nation. People who complain about this stuff are pissed off because they are not getting money off the name. Florida St pay the Florida Seminole tribe like a million dollars a year...that is why the other tribes are pissed. They dont care about FSU using the nickname...they just want their cut. This whole thing is so stupid....
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Postby Kingctb27 » Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:55 pm

This is really, really stupid if you ask me. The Seminoles have had that name for as long as I can remember and I don't think it should change now. That's kinda like the WWF changing their name because of some Animal Group 10 years down the road.
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:17 pm

DUMB :-t
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Postby Oat Soda » Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:40 pm

This is just the latest of a long list of stupid moves the NCAA has made over the years. Outlawing athletic dorms and recruiting books, severely sanctioning schools much more harshly than fits the crime, trying to bully schools into changing their nicknames. One of these days the member schools are going to get sick of this crap, abolish the NCAA and start over. The sooner the better.
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Postby Madison » Sat Aug 06, 2005 2:18 pm

kingctb27 wrote:That's kinda like the WWF changing their name because of some Animal Group 10 years down the road.


Am I missing the sarcasm here? :-D

Just to be sure, the World Wrestling Federation did change their name to World Wrestling Entertainment, due to the World Wildlife Fund.

I'm sure you knew that already though, right? :-b
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