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Need to be dominating to make the Hall?

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Need to be famous for "Hall of Fame"?

Postby bellings » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:39 pm

This doesn't deal specifically with Palmerio, but we can use him as an example. Doesn't the name "Hall of Fame" imply that the members should be famous? If that is required, I don't know that Palmerio fits the bill (well, maybe after the substance abuse bust, but that is more infamous that famous.)

During his career, how many times has a pitcher though "oh crap, here come Raffy"? How many times has batter thought, "I better not hit it over there, he's a vacuum"?

If it came down to Palmerio and Pedro Martínez, and there was only one spot left, I would give it to Pedro. Absolutely no contest. You need to be dominating at least at some point during your career to make the Hall.
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Re: Need to be famous for "Hall of Fame"?

Postby Rirruto » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:44 pm

bellings wrote:During his career, how many times has a pitcher though "oh crap, here come Raffy"?

I bet it's happened alot.
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:51 pm

The numbers should warrant a player getting in. Not how well-known his name is. Raffy certainly has the numbers to be a hall of famer, whether or not he's a household name like Ken Griffey Jr. or Barry Bonds.
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Re: Need to be famous for "Hall of Fame"?

Postby bdrotoronto » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:53 pm

Rirruto wrote:
bellings wrote:During his career, how many times has a pitcher though "oh crap, here come Raffy"?

I bet it's happened alot.

yes, exactly. ;-D
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Postby SouthBronxBombers » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:57 pm

No, but we are approaching it being a place for very good players who simply are able to hang around long enough to put up the numbers.
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Postby j_d_mcnugent » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:19 pm

i dont think a player needs to be "famous", but he should be dominant. the HOF voters determine it how they want, but if you ask me i think the HOF should be for those players that were dominant/special at their respective positions in their respective time periods.
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Postby d18Mike » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:29 pm

No, but we are approaching it being a place for very good players who simply are able to hang around long enough to put up the numbers.


I wish that Dave Kingman would have hit just a few more HRs -- enough to reach 500 (and he easily would have if not for collusion).

This would have forced a spirited debate over numbers-based inductions as opposed to dominance/impact.
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Postby j_d_mcnugent » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:24 pm

d18Mike wrote:
No, but we are approaching it being a place for very good players who simply are able to hang around long enough to put up the numbers.


I wish that Dave Kingman would have hit just a few more HRs -- enough to reach 500 (and he easily would have if not for collusion).

This would have forced a spirited debate over numbers-based inductions as opposed to dominance/impact.


i am too young to remember but that debate may have happened before. 400hr used to be a benchmark for hall of fame status. later it became 500hr. i think now that number will change.
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Postby Iconoclastic » Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:43 pm

What kind of person would vote on nothing but a general rule and equate 500 HRs hit in the 60s and 70s with 500 HRs hit in the steroid era? It's not even close.

I say only players on the elite plane of dominance and fame such as Willie Mays, Babe Ruth, Bonds, Aaron, etc should be in the Hall. I don't remember it called the Hall of Consistency
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Postby DK » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:05 pm

Iconoclastic wrote:I say only players on the elite plane of dominance and fame such as Willie Mays, Babe Ruth, Bonds, Aaron, etc should be in the Hall. I don't remember it called the Hall of Consistency


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