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Postby coachdino » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:01 am

Who do you think are the top 5 first basemen the last 25 years? Not just hitting but overall. Is Pujols etablished enough to be there? Are Big Macs offensive numbers enough to put him at the top? Does Will the Thrill lead the way because he was so intense? Does Mark Grace sneek into the fifth spot? What about Mattingly? :-?
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Postby Tavish » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:07 am

McGwire, Bagwell, "Money" Murray, Thomas, Raffy, Balboni.
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Postby mweir145 » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:08 am

Tavish wrote:McGwire, Bagwell, "Money" Murray, Thomas, Raffy, Balboni.


Those guys sound about right.
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Postby Rirruto » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:08 am

Eddie Murray
Jeff Bagwell
Don Mattingly
Keith Hernandez
Mark McGwire I guess
Frank Thomas
Mo Vaughn was pretty damn good for 8 years

Just throwing names out there, not necessarily my Top 5...
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Postby mweir145 » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:13 am

Rirruto wrote:Keith Hernandez


This might be a bit off-topic, but I was just watching the "Keith Hernandez" Seinfeld episode.

That's a great one. :-b

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Postby orange12 » Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:47 am

McGwire
Murray
Bagwell
Thomas
Palmiero
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Postby stumpak » Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:01 am

I will argue strongly against McGwire. If you look at his career numbers, he had 5 brilliant seaons starting in 1996. But before that, he was nothing that special--several seasons mostly lost to injuries and in the five or so full seasons he did play, he averaged like 30 HRs with a BA around .250. Even in the late 80s and early 90s, these nothing more than Glenn Davis numbers, and no one is arguing for him as one of the best of the last 25 years.

McGwire was certainly a good player, but everything that made him great was done in the span of five years, and I don't think there is anyone around can say with a straight face that his production above and beyond his .250/30 previous career mean was not 90% attributable to steroids. McGwire provided nothing approaching the long-term stellar production of a Murray, a Bagwell or a Palmeiro.

By the way, what about Fred McGriff, shouldn't he rate somewhere on here? Here is a guy who was the model of consitency and retired with a career .886 OPS even though he played half his career before the offensive explosion of the past 10 years.
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Postby bigh0rt » Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:06 am

stumpak wrote:I will argue strongly against McGwire. If you look at his career numbers, he had 5 brilliant seaons starting in 1996. But before that, he was nothing that special--several seasons mostly lost to injuries and in the five or so full seasons he did play, he averaged like 30 HRs with a BA around .250. Even in the late 80s and early 90s, these nothing more than Glenn Davis numbers, and no one is arguing for him as one of the best of the last 25 years.

McGwire was certainly a good player, but everything that made him great was done in the span of five years, and I don't think there is anyone around can say with a straight face that his production above and beyond his .250/30 previous career mean was not 90% attributable to steroids. McGwire provided nothing approaching the long-term stellar production of a Murray, a Bagwell or a Palmeiro.

By the way, what about Fred McGriff, shouldn't he rate somewhere on here? Here is a guy who was the model of consitency and retired with a career .886 OPS even though he played half his career before the offensive explosion of the past 10 years.


Look at McGwire's 162 game averages. Scary numbers. He's the best 1B in the last 25 years. But I ask, where's the love for Donnie Baseball? I think he's certainly Top 5.
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Postby reznorsboy » Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:32 am

McGwire, Bagwell, "Money" Murray, Thomas, Palmeiro. Mark Grace is prolly #6 in my books.
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Postby Drunken Rhino » Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:40 am

No love for Helton who's CAREER avg is .335? so he's benefitted from Coors, big deal. A career .295 road avg is respectable too!

What about the Big Cat?

I gotta say, my top 5 as Bagwell, Helton, Big Hurt, Raffy and Eddie.

My 2nd tier being Big Mac, Will Clark, Mark Grace, Jon Olerud and Andres Galarraga.
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