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Postby TheYanks04 » Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:13 pm

Actually try number 26 at SP under 5x5 Roto rules, 10 team at $9.24. This according to Rototimes current dollar projections. That is round 13-16 material in most mixed leagues and at best a #3. And noting to get excited about as you can get $9 of fthe WW usually in the beginning of the season.

Pos Player Team IP W Wpt SV SVpt ERA ERApt RAT RATpt SO SOpt TotPts $$
P Chris Carpenter StL 147.3 14 2.31 0 -1.10 2.26 1.24 1.032 0.96 140 1.50 4.90 $37.05
P Pedro Martinez NYM 142.0 12 1.69 0 -1.10 2.79 0.58 0.852 2.02 147 1.65 4.85 $36.74
P Roy Oswalt Hou 158.7 14 2.31 0 -1.10 2.33 1.25 1.071 0.76 114 0.90 4.13 $32.96
P Roger Clemens Hou 135.0 8 0.46 0 -1.10 1.40 2.09 0.956 1.32 123 1.11 3.87 $31.63
P Chad Cordero Was 53.7 2 -1.39 34 4.55 1.17 0.93 1.006 0.41 46 -0.64 3.85 $31.51
P Roy Halladay Tor 141.7 12 1.69 0 -1.10 2.41 1.02 0.960 1.36 108 0.77 3.73 $30.89
P Mariano Rivera NYY 42.3 4 -0.77 25 3.05 0.85 0.85 0.780 0.73 48 -0.60 3.26 $28.40
P John Smoltz Atl 154.3 11 1.38 0 -1.10 2.62 0.84 1.147 0.24 114 0.90 2.27 $23.20
P Francisco Rodriguez LAA 39.7 2 -1.39 24 2.88 1.82 0.48 0.882 0.51 55 -0.44 2.05 $22.03
P Jon Garland CWS 132.7 15 2.62 0 -1.10 3.19 0.11 1.123 0.34 63 -0.25 1.72 $20.29
P Billy Wagner Phi 47.3 3 -1.08 21 2.39 2.09 0.46 0.972 0.43 49 -0.57 1.62 $19.80
P Derrick Turnbow Mil 43.3 4 -0.77 21 2.39 2.08 0.43 1.015 0.31 41 -0.75 1.60 $19.67
P Joe Nathan Min 42.3 2 -1.39 27 3.38 3.19 0.04 1.157 0.05 52 -0.50 1.57 $19.51
P Brad Lidge Hou 41.0 3 -1.08 23 2.72 2.63 0.22 1.220 -0.06 62 -0.28 1.51 $19.23
P Dontrelle Willis Fla 136.7 13 2.00 0 -1.10 3.23 0.07 1.200 -0.10 99 0.56 1.44 $18.82
P Mark Buehrle CWS 155.0 11 1.38 0 -1.10 2.96 0.42 1.142 0.28 94 0.45 1.43 $18.76
P Johan Santana Min 136.3 9 0.77 0 -1.10 3.89 -0.67 1.064 0.70 149 1.70 1.39 $18.59
P Jake Peavy SD 123.7 8 0.46 0 -1.10 3.42 -0.13 1.051 0.70 136 1.40 1.33 $18.26
P Randy Johnson NYY 148.0 11 1.38 0 -1.10 3.95 -0.80 1.189 -0.04 142 1.54 0.99 $16.45
P B.J. Ryan Bal 45.0 1 -1.70 22 2.55 2.80 0.18 1.133 0.10 66 -0.19 0.94 $16.22
P Rich Harden Oak 90.7 8 0.46 0 -1.10 2.28 0.75 1.015 0.66 79 0.11 0.87 $15.83
P Eddie Guardado Sea 34.0 1 -1.70 23 2.72 1.59 0.47 0.941 0.35 29 -1.03 0.82 $15.56
P Jeremy Bonderman Det 143.7 13 2.00 0 -1.10 3.95 -0.77 1.218 -0.21 113 0.88 0.80 $15.46
P Jason Isringhausen StL 36.3 0 -2.01 28 3.55 1.73 0.46 1.321 -0.21 30 -1.01 0.78 $15.39
P Scot Shields LAA 61.3 6 -0.16 7 0.06 2.20 0.55 1.027 0.41 68 -0.14 0.72 $15.05
P Trevor Hoffman SD 34.0 0 -2.01 27 3.38 3.18 0.03 1.029 0.22 33 -0.94 0.69 $14.91
P Andy Pettitte Hou 131.7 8 0.46 0 -1.10 2.73 0.60 1.147 0.21 97 0.52 0.68 $14.85
P Brett Myers Phi 133.3 8 0.46 0 -1.10 3.24 0.05 1.170 0.08 126 1.18 0.67 $14.77
P Matt Morris StL 115.7 11 1.38 0 -1.10 3.42 -0.13 1.115 0.34 81 0.15 0.65 $14.68
P Bartolo Colon LAA 135.7 12 1.69 0 -1.10 3.78 -0.55 1.179 0.02 97 0.52 0.59 $14.36
P Danys Baez TB 45.3 5 -0.47 19 2.05 3.18 0.04 1.390 -0.40 36 -0.87 0.36 $13.16
P Josh Beckett Fla 102.7 9 0.77 0 -1.10 3.33 -0.03 1.149 0.15 96 0.50 0.28 $12.72
P Kenny Rogers Tex 133.3 11 1.38 0 -1.10 2.77 0.57 1.237 -0.31 59 -0.35 0.20 $12.31
P Carlos Zambrano ChC 131.7 7 0.15 0 -1.10 3.42 -0.14 1.162 0.12 124 1.13 0.16 $12.13
P Mark Prior ChC 94.7 7 0.15 0 -1.10 3.23 0.04 1.056 0.52 97 0.52 0.13 $11.94
P Barry Zito Oak 143.0 9 0.77 0 -1.10 3.59 -0.35 1.168 0.10 102 0.63 0.05 $11.51
P Braden Looper NYM 38.3 3 -1.08 22 2.55 3.05 0.07 1.330 -0.24 18 -1.28 0.03 $11.40
P Francisco Cordero Tex 43.3 1 -1.70 23 2.72 3.74 -0.16 1.338 -0.29 49 -0.57 -0.00 $11.26
P Dustin Hermanson CWS 37.7 0 -2.01 23 2.72 1.91 0.42 1.168 0.02 19 -1.26 -0.10 $10.76
P Todd Jones Fla 42.3 1 -1.70 16 1.56 1.49 0.62 1.016 0.30 33 -0.94 -0.15 $10.46
P John Patterson Was 111.7 4 -0.77 0 -1.10 2.58 0.65 1.119 0.31 107 0.75 -0.17 $10.35
P Miguel Batista Tor 46.3 4 -0.77 17 1.72 3.11 0.07 1.317 -0.26 31 -0.98 -0.23 $10.06
P Livan Hernandez Was 157.3 12 1.69 0 -1.10 3.32 -0.04 1.373 -1.28 95 0.47 -0.25 $ 9.96
P Huston Street Oak 49.0 3 -1.08 9 0.39 1.47 0.73 1.000 0.39 44 -0.69 -0.26 $ 9.89
P Bob Wickman Cle 37.0 0 -2.01 25 3.05 2.68 0.19 1.324 -0.22 18 -1.28 -0.27 $ 9.83
P Brian Fuentes Col 47.0 2 -1.39 16 1.56 3.06 0.09 1.255 -0.14 55 -0.44 -0.33 $ 9.53
P Javier Vazquez Ari 140.0 9 0.77 0 -1.10 4.37 -1.24 1.186 -0.01 127 1.20 -0.39 $ 9.24
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:16 pm

Oh no, one of the best #3 pitchers for a 12 team league! You were so right about him sucking! Oh wait, no you weren't. Foot in mouth.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:20 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:
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Havok1517 wrote:The Yankees just keep getting beaten to death with their pitching. I've heard rumors that the Yankees will sign the newly released Hideo Nomo to combat Brown being out. Wow! who would have though that.

Hideo Nomo may not have much left, but the Yankees think he might be better than what they have. -- New York Post


Nomo...man has been shot sinc ethe surgery. Cashman would only be kidding himself once again.


I'm not disagreeing with you but what other choices do they have? Bring up Sean Henn again? I don't think so. They have 6 pitchers and only 2 of them are healthy. There isn't a whole lot you can do.

Hopefully they can entice Pittsburgh to give us Redman or something because they are in bad, bad shape. Brown should just retire right now. Piece of s#!t. :-P


Maybe so, but you are just replacing one torching for another with Nomo. May as well send Small out there as he will do no worse and is already being paid. They need to make a deal to get a serviceable #4 or 5 starter that can give them some innings. They do not need a great pitcher, just someone who can go out and pitch 7 IP while only giving up 4 runs on something of a consistent basis. Redman would be alright, though I think he will be too expensive prospect-wise.
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:22 pm

The problem is, Small is starting tomorrow. They need 5 starters, not just 4. Small is already one of them.

Yesterday: Randy
Today: Leiter
Tomorrow: Small
Next Day: Mussina
Next Day: Nomo (or hopefully someone acquired via trade)
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Postby Big Pimpin » Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:24 pm

Seattle PI said today that the Yanks are interested in both Randy Winn and Gil Meche. I don't know that the M's are ready to give him up yet but it's out there. They also said Pavano, Cano, and Duncan aren't probably going anywhere, so maybe Sean Henn and another lower prospect or two? I guess it all changes if the Yanks get so desperate they're thinking about Nomo...
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Postby TheYanks04 » Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:24 pm

CubsFan7724 wrote:Oh no, one of the best #3 pitchers for a 12 team league! You were so right about him sucking! Oh wait, no you weren't. Foot in mouth.


Yeah he is real great sporting that 4.4 ERA and 9 whole Ws....whatever dude...You like him in a 12 team league knock yourself out. The number 47 ranked pitcher overall. Tremendeous pick indeed.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:29 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:The problem is, Small is starting tomorrow. They need 5 starters, not just 4. Small is already one of them.

Yesterday: Randy
Today: Leiter
Tomorrow: Small
Next Day: Mussina
Next Day: Nomo (or hopefully someone acquired via trade)


I am sure soemthing is in the works. Just hope it is not Nomo. They are going to have to survive until Pavano gets back and hopefully will be at least serviceable. I am not even factoring in Wright as he is in the Brown class of worthless trash. Either way, the pitching is a complete mess and how they win with 2 quality starters is beyond me (assumng they actually manage to make it to the playoffs).
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Postby blankman » Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:56 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:
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Havok1517 wrote:The Yankees just keep getting beaten to death with their pitching. I've heard rumors that the Yankees will sign the newly released Hideo Nomo to combat Brown being out. Wow! who would have though that.

Hideo Nomo may not have much left, but the Yankees think he might be better than what they have. -- New York Post


Nomo...man has been shot sinc ethe surgery. Cashman would only be kidding himself once again.


I'm not disagreeing with you but what other choices do they have? Bring up Sean Henn again? I don't think so. They have 6 pitchers and only 2 of them are healthy. There isn't a whole lot you can do.

Hopefully they can entice Pittsburgh to give us Redman or something because they are in bad, bad shape. Brown should just retire right now. Piece of s#!t. :-P


Agreed. Nothing to lose with Nomo IMO, since there's no other option.

In addition, Sean Henn is now on the Columbus DL, so even he can't physically pitch.
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Postby blankman » Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:59 pm

Big Pimpin wrote:Seattle PI said today that the Yanks are interested in both Randy Winn and Gil Meche. I don't know that the M's are ready to give him up yet but it's out there. They also said Pavano, Cano, and Duncan aren't probably going anywhere, so maybe Sean Henn and another lower prospect or two? I guess it all changes if the Yanks get so desperate they're thinking about Nomo...


Henn's on the DL.

Villone is also of interest to the Yankees.

The paper today said early on Seattle asked for Pavano and the Yankees said no right away.

They've got nothing they're willing to trade.
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Postby Box » Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:04 pm

Kevin Brown's got a bad back?! When did this happen? 8-o



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