Cleveland Steamers wrote:No way the Mets will end up with soriano and Manny. Thats abosultely crazy. The salary between Beltran and Manny would be more than a few small market teams. Throw in the salaries of Pedro, Soriano, Benson, etc and the Mets would be right up there with the Yankees in terms of salary. No chance.
You're crazy. Not that I think either of these players are coming to the Mets but the Mets could take on Manny and Soriano's salary and still be about $70 Million dollars less than the Yankees payroll. Let's say Manny at $20M and Soriano at $10M and the Mets payroll at $105 (I'm rounding high and not even taking into account Piazza's salary being gone next year) equals ~$135M and the Yankees payroll is ~$205M.
Yoda wrote:Economics 101. Manny's price tag makes him virtually worthless in real life. No one would be willing to give up anything useful for him and his monster contract. That is why the Red Sox can't trade him not because they don't want to. Period.
Asanine statement. Here's the top 25 paying contracts of 2005:
1 Rodriguez, Alex $ 26,000,000
2 Bonds, Barry $ 22,000,000
3 Ramirez, Manny $ 22,000,000
4 Jeter, Derek $ 19,600,000
5 Mussina, Mike $ 19,000,000
6 Bagwell, Jeff $ 18,000,000
7 Clemens, Roger $ 18,000,000
8 Sosa, Sammy $ 17,000,000
9 Piazza, Mike $ 16,071,429
10 Jones, Chipper $ 16,061,802
11 Johnson, Randy $ 16,000,000
12 Brown, Kevin $ 15,714,286
13 Hampton, Mike $ 15,125,000
14 Park, Chan Ho $ 15,000,000
15 Schilling, Curt $ 14,500,000
16 Giambi, Jason $ 13,428,571
17 Dreifort, Darren $ 13,400,000
18 Thome, Jim $ 13,166,667
19 Abreu, Bobby $ 13,100,000
20 Jones, Andruw $ 13,000,000
21 Sheffield, Gary $ 13,000,000
22 Walker, Larry $ 12,666,667
23 Helton, Todd $ 12,600,000
24 Griffey Jr, Ken $ 12,500,000
25 Guerrero, Vladimir $ 12,500,000
Virtually every name on there has been traded, or discussed in trade talks, in the last few years. And the few that haven't (say, Jeter and Bonds) would be discussed if anybody thought they coud be available (up to the end of last season, anyways).
The question isn't the size of the contract: it's the value that you extract out of it. And given Manny's torrid hitting the past two seasons, there is no sense in which he is "worthless." For that, look at the crap roster that Isaiah has assembled for the Knicks.
First of all, Darren Dreifort is the luckiest man in baseball.
Secondly, I believe it once it's complete. Both Soriano and Manny have been coming to NY for a few years now. It's all just speculation, and most likely end up being just that. A lot of the people starting these rumors belong to the NY media, which is closer to science fiction than truth most of the time.
BronXBombers51 wrote:Oh, but they'll put him on waivers and let anyone take him for free? Anyone including the Yankees? But they won't deal him and his entire crippling salary for a decent player? Oh....ok.
If the Red Sox ARE going to deal him, and I'm not saying they are even trying, but if they ARE, that's what their going to get, unless they somehow swing that 3-way thing that brings them Soriano, which I highly doubt.
Special circumstances. They were going to give him away for free in order to free up cash to get Rodriguez and Magglio. So, even though they weren't getting anything from the single transaction involving Manny, it would've been Manny & Nomar for Rodriguez & Magglio. Also, since then his average has been slipping a bit, but his power has been on the rise: increased HRs & RBIs and on pace to go up again this season.
Yoda wrote:Economics 101. Manny's price tag makes him virtually worthless in real life. No one would be willing to give up anything useful for him and his monster contract. That is why the Red Sox can't trade him not because they don't want to. Period.
Asanine statement. Here's the top 25 paying contracts of 2005:
1 Rodriguez, Alex $ 26,000,000 2 Bonds, Barry $ 22,000,000 3 Ramirez, Manny $ 22,000,000 4 Jeter, Derek $ 19,600,000 5 Mussina, Mike $ 19,000,000 6 Bagwell, Jeff $ 18,000,000 7 Clemens, Roger $ 18,000,000 8 Sosa, Sammy $ 17,000,000 9 Piazza, Mike $ 16,071,429 10 Jones, Chipper $ 16,061,802 11 Johnson, Randy $ 16,000,000 12 Brown, Kevin $ 15,714,286 13 Hampton, Mike $ 15,125,000 14 Park, Chan Ho $ 15,000,000 15 Schilling, Curt $ 14,500,000 16 Giambi, Jason $ 13,428,571 17 Dreifort, Darren $ 13,400,000 18 Thome, Jim $ 13,166,667 19 Abreu, Bobby $ 13,100,000 20 Jones, Andruw $ 13,000,000 21 Sheffield, Gary $ 13,000,000 22 Walker, Larry $ 12,666,667 23 Helton, Todd $ 12,600,000 24 Griffey Jr, Ken $ 12,500,000 25 Guerrero, Vladimir $ 12,500,000
Virtually every name on there has been traded, or discussed in trade talks, in the last few years. And the few that haven't (say, Jeter and Bonds) would be discussed if anybody thought they coud be available (up to the end of last season, anyways).
The question isn't the size of the contract: it's the value that you extract out of it. And given Manny's torrid hitting the past two seasons, there is no sense in which he is "worthless." For that, look at the crap roster that Isaiah has assembled for the Knicks.
Manny is immovable unless they absorb another retarded contract. Only an idiot would trade players like Reyes and Wright for Manny in today's market.
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BronXBombers51 wrote:Oh, but they'll put him on waivers and let anyone take him for free? Anyone including the Yankees? But they won't deal him and his entire crippling salary for a decent player? Oh....ok.
If the Red Sox ARE going to deal him, and I'm not saying they are even trying, but if they ARE, that's what their going to get, unless they somehow swing that 3-way thing that brings them Soriano, which I highly doubt.
Special circumstances. They were going to give him away for free in order to free up cash to get Rodriguez and Magglio. So, even though they weren't getting anything from the single transaction involving Manny, it would've been Manny & Nomar for Rodriguez & Magglio.
That's funny, because I could've sworn Texas was getting MANNY for A-Rod in the trade. I didn't realize Texas was giving A-Rod to Boston for nothing!!
Also, since then his average has been slipping a bit, but his power has been on the rise: increased HRs & RBIs and on pace to go up again this season.
As it goes, that was then. This is now.
Completely irrelavent. There is and has been nothing wrong with Manny's production. He's a perrenial all-star and always is among the league leaders in each major offensive category. The problem with Manny was his contract. That is why he was put on waivers. If Manny was making 12.5 million per year, like Vladdy, Boston would have zero problem with him.
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by Yoda » Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:47 pm 
Not that I think either of these players are coming to the Mets but the Mets could take on Manny and Soriano's salary and still be about $70 Million dollars less than the Yankees payroll. Let's say Manny at $20M and Soriano at $10M and the Mets payroll at $105 (I'm rounding high and not even taking into account Piazza's salary being gone next year) equals ~$135M and the Yankees payroll is ~$205M.
