They're called Vultures, because they come in and swoop up someone else's win. For example, the starter goes 7 innings, gives up 2 earned runs, leaves the game tied. In comes the Vulture who pitches a scoreless inning, the team scores, he "vultures" the win.
It's nice when you get them but it's not something you can rely on year-to-year. Last year, Juan Rincon had 11 wins. This year he has 4 and it appears that Jesse Crain is the staff vulture.
Roger Angell: I was talking with Bob Gibson and I said: 'Are you always this competitive?' He said: 'Oh, I think so. I got a three-year old daughter, and I've played about 500 games of tic-tac-toe with her and she hasn't beat me yet.'
BobbyRoberto wrote:They're called Vultures, because they come in and swoop up someone else's win. For example, the starter goes 7 innings, gives up 2 earned runs, leaves the game tied. In comes the Vulture who pitches a scoreless inning, the team scores, he "vultures" the win.
It's nice when you get them but it's not something you can rely on year-to-year. Last year, Juan Rincon had 11 wins. This year he has 4 and it appears that Jesse Crain is the staff vulture.
actually, within the twins clubhouse last year, rincon picked up the nickname, "The Vulture."
I know. Since the 1st-place team in my league has both of them, I'm hoping they fade in the second half.
Roger Angell: I was talking with Bob Gibson and I said: 'Are you always this competitive?' He said: 'Oh, I think so. I got a three-year old daughter, and I've played about 500 games of tic-tac-toe with her and she hasn't beat me yet.'
Ayala hasn't really been money. Frankly, his WHIP and Ks suck for a MR guy. He has gotten a lot of wins through luck, same with Crain.
Sure there respective teams have been in a lot of close games, but there is no way that you should expect an MR to accrue wins at double-digit/162 game rate over the long-run. I will buy that there are MRs who are in good "vulture" siutations in that they are go-to guys on teams that play a lot of close games, but anyone who gets more than 6-8 wins in this situation is the beneficiary of pure luck and happenstance that will eventually end.
It is the same thing as an SP who wins 22 or 23 games. Sure you have to be really good and play on a good team, but in the end you need a strogn dose of luck as well.
stumpak wrote:Ayala hasn't really been money. Frankly, his WHIP and Ks suck for a MR guy. He has gotten a lot of wins through luck, same with Crain.
Sure there respective teams have been in a lot of close games, but there is no way that you should expect an MR to accrue wins at double-digit/162 game rate over the long-run. I will buy that there are MRs who are in good "vulture" siutations in that they are go-to guys on teams that play a lot of close games, but anyone who gets more than 6-8 wins in this situation is the beneficiary of pure luck and happenstance that will eventually end.
It is the same thing as an SP who wins 22 or 23 games. Sure you have to be really good and play on a good team, but in the end you need a strogn dose of luck as well.
Well put. As I was reading the question in the first post of this thread the first thing that came to mind was "fluke". If you try to chase these guys who get a few wins in a row, you're just as likely to get stuck with them for two months with getting you a win.
I am not saying Ayala is great. Cordero yes.
"money" has many different definitions. I am pretty sure if you had Ayala on your fantasy team that you wouldn't mind calling him money. Double digits wins for a MR guy in a season is "money".
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by echizen » Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:12 am 
