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Postby ravenmad22 » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:01 pm

Thought he was toast. He got an ugly save tonight, with Belizzle pitching the 8th.
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Postby Cleveland Steamers » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:36 pm

I hate the Reds. I hate their GM, he's terrible. I hate their coaching staff because they name a closer and not only dont stick with Belisle, they havent even given him a chance. Nice job David Weathers, 4 saves in 6 chances. You really showed everyone how dominating you can be tonight. I guess I am just bitter about the whole situation. I hope Milton keeps throwing as well as an $8 million pitcher should. Screw you, Reds.
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Postby baseballnewb » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:25 am

He brought Belisle in for the most important part of the game, then Dunn hit a HR, blew the lead wide open and he used weathers to finish it. My guess is, if the lead had stayed 1 Belisle would have finished the game.
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Postby tomahawk » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:03 am

hmm, your recollection of the past seems to be different than mine....

Belisle goes in for the 8th, pitches a scoreless inning (allowing a hit and a walk).

Weathers goes in for the 9th with a three run lead. Gives up a 2 run dong to Dunn, then gets the save.

Maybe you were trying to say the same thing, but your wording made it sound like Dunn hit the HR after Belisle went in and before Weathers was in.

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Postby The Loveable Losers » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:13 am

I've said this on MANY occassions about the Reds new manager and it bears repeating...

He does NOT manage with fantasy owners in mind. He doesn't even manage to make his players feel better about their 'roles' on the team. He manages in the way that he thinks gives him the best chance to win games.

baseballnewb is exactly right and I'd imagine that we would have seen a 2ip save from Belisle had Dunn not hit the hr. And the only way Weathers would give up a '2 run dong to Dunn' would be in batting practice seeing as how they're on the same team (though maybe not for long ;-D ).
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Postby benjapage » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:21 am

from tomahawk:
...Weathers goes in for the 9th with a three run lead. Gives up a 2 run dong to Dunn, then gets the save.


i think dunn plays for the reds, making it tough for weathers to deliver that pitch.

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Postby AKhomebrewer » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:27 am

In any case, going from a one-run lead to a three-run lead is hardly blowing the game open. Not to the degree you would pull a pitcher you believe is your best option to prevent the kind of comeback Weathers nearly allowed.
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Postby vladrules » Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:37 pm

they should just fired him.
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Postby baseballnewb » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:15 pm

well tonight Belisle came in for the 7th, gave up the go ahead run and merker ended up in there in the 9th with weathers coming in after helton's single to try to close it out but it looks like he may blow it, this situation is just a mess for fantasy owners.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:19 pm

No Reds reliever is wort squat in all but very deep leagues. I still think Weathers is the one with the most value, but that is not saying much.
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