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Postby baseballnewb » Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:19 pm

I have Dunn in 2 of my 3 leagues and I'm in first in both of those, guess he's not that much of a cancer. As long as he pulls his average up into the 260's like last year he's a 3rd or 4th round pick quality player, especially in a league that counts OBP or OPS where he is a 1st or 2nd round pick.
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Postby nuggets » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:20 pm

beltrans_boy wrote:
Dice wrote:Note: Dunn is 15th in the league on ESPN's Runs Created/27 outs stat, which takes into account walks. As far as I can tell, a walk is worth 26% of a single. This is a stat which is independent of runs and RBI's. He's a little higher than I thought he'd be.


Runs Created/27 is a great metric to evaluate a hitter. He's also 13th in MLB in batting Win Shares (right behind Miguel Tejada). He's ahead of Manny Ramirez, Carlos Lee, Mark Teixeira, Carlos Delgado, Miguel Cabrera, Jim Edmonds and Cliff Floyd. Dunn gets no respect. This guy is the kind of hitter you build a franchise around.

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Postby nuggets » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:32 pm

Interesting, Dunn's Equivalent Average is .313 this season and .302 all time.

He is #23 among hitters according to VORP
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Postby Tavish » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:39 pm

Nuggets: Dunn has 14.7 Batting Win Shares, which is 13th in the MLB.
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Postby nuggets » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:46 pm

Tavish wrote:Nuggets: Dunn has 14.7 Batting Win Shares, which is 13th in the MLB.


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Postby wrveres » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:46 pm

Tavish wrote:Nuggets: Dunn has 14.7 Batting Win Shares, which is 13th in the MLB.


so does Craig Counsell .. ;-D

Counsell is exactly the type of player you build a franchise around. ;-7
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Postby nuggets » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:48 pm

wrveres wrote:
Tavish wrote:Nuggets: Dunn has 14.7 Batting Win Shares, which is 13th in the MLB.


so does Craig Counsell .. ;-D

Counsell is exactly the type of player you build a franchise around. ;-7


Kruky says so :-D
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Postby wrveres » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:51 pm

nuggets wrote:
wrveres wrote:
Tavish wrote:Nuggets: Dunn has 14.7 Batting Win Shares, which is 13th in the MLB.


so does Craig Counsell .. ;-D

Counsell is exactly the type of player you build a franchise around. ;-7


Kruky says so :-D


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Postby Tavish » Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:35 pm

wrveres wrote:
Tavish wrote:Nuggets: Dunn has 14.7 Batting Win Shares, which is 13th in the MLB.


so does Craig Counsell .. ;-D

Counsell is exactly the type of player you build a franchise around. ;-7


Good for him I guess... :-?
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Postby RynMan » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:47 am

I agree with BB here. To me, Dunn is the most underrated player out there because people see his BA and label him as a bum. They neglect the approx. .400 OBP that the guy has. He works deep into counts looking for a pitch he can handle - hence why he winds up with alot of K's and Walks. If you are a believer that OBP and SLUG directly correlate very well with Runs Scored (which statistically they have been proven to do so), then how is Adam Dunn a bad hitter?

BB: I wouldn't say Dunn is a player you build a franchise around, simply because he isn't a great defensive player or clubhouse prescence. But I WOULD say he is the kind of guy that you build an offense around.

Why is he not hitting in the 2 hole?
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