evil_beaver_dp wrote:I see Adam Dunn as a perfect example of why a 5x5 scoring system is simply inadequate. Keep the traditional 5 - BA, HR, RBI, R, SB - and add OBP & SLG or OPS. Now all those walks, 2Bs, and 3Bs have some value and the low BA still hurts.
If Adam Dunn ends up in the 50 solo-HR club, is that really his fault? If every batter in a lineup were Adam Dunn, what would the probability be that he hits a solo HR, 2-R HR, 3-R HR, or a GS? I'm guessing that he'd hit multi-R homers more than most hitters in a similar analysis. Adam Dunn is a guy I'd take in my lineup any time.
I've only ever played with these offensive categories: Total Bases, OBP, SB, R, RBI. The randomness of HR's and the ignoring of BB would ignore me.
Note: Dunn is 15th in the league on ESPN's Runs Created/27 outs stat, which takes into account walks. As far as I can tell, a walk is worth 26% of a single. This is a stat which is independent of runs and RBI's. He's a little higher than I thought he'd be.
Dice wrote:Note: Dunn is 15th in the league on ESPN's Runs Created/27 outs stat, which takes into account walks. As far as I can tell, a walk is worth 26% of a single. This is a stat which is independent of runs and RBI's. He's a little higher than I thought he'd be.
Runs Created/27 is a great metric to evaluate a hitter. He's also 13th in MLB in batting Win Shares (right behind Miguel Tejada). He's ahead of Manny Ramirez, Carlos Lee, Mark Teixeira, Carlos Delgado, Miguel Cabrera, Jim Edmonds and Cliff Floyd. Dunn gets no respect. This guy is the kind of hitter you build a franchise around.
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Quoting Dice: "I've only ever played with these offensive categories: Total Bases, OBP, SB, R, RBI. The randomness of HR's and the ignoring of BB would ignore me."
I don't quite understand why you mention that the "randomness" of HRs would bother you but you have no problem with RBI as a category. RBI is probably the most unpredictable of all these categories and most dependent upon an individual's teammates rather than the individual.
theclefe wrote:Not to mention, the guy is a jerk. I remember when Aaron Boone was traded. He and another meathead were on the Best Damn Sports Show ripping the guy. I'm no fan of Boone, but Dunn came off like a peice of trash.
Sounds right that he won;t swing unless the pitch is perfect. He sounds like a model team player.
Another thing I heard was that after he left the University of Texas (he was a backup qb), all he did was publicly trash Chris Simms and Mack Brown.
I wouldn't mess with him though, he can say whatever he wants, at 6'6" and 270 lbs he would squash me like a bug.
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Laean wrote:i play with the standard RUNS, HRS, RBIS, and SBS, but replace AVG with OPS (better than OBP), add HITS, WALKS, and TOTAL BASES.
i hate the standard 5, it totally doesn't reflect a player's actual worth to his team.
Excellent. I think you just hit my league's batting categories right on the head
We also use strikeouts to keep the power hitters balanced.
On the pitching side, we use W, L, SV, K, BB, ERA, WHIP, K/BB.
yeah we were thinking about using Ks for the hitters cats, but most of us are worried that'll lead to too many categories.
our pitching cats are: W L SV K BB ERA WHIP ER. some of us really hate this current set because 4 of the cats give an advantage to RP and only 2 are pro-SP cats. next season we're thinking about replacing ER with IP, since ER is kind of redundant with ERA already there, and IP is a pro-SP cat. thus, we'll have a neutral 3 pro-SP and 3 pro-RP cats. some of us don't like IP though because they think it's a non-skill related cat, but i disagree since good starters tend to not get blown up and yanked after 2 innings, or have to be taken out in the 6th inning because their inefficiency has caused them to pitch 110 innings already, etc.
Dice wrote:Note: Dunn is 15th in the league on ESPN's Runs Created/27 outs stat, which takes into account walks. As far as I can tell, a walk is worth 26% of a single. This is a stat which is independent of runs and RBI's. He's a little higher than I thought he'd be.
Walks are worth quite abit more than that. Singles are worth about .46 Runs and Walks about .33 Runs. Walks are worth around 70% of a single.
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by Dice » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:43 pm 
