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Postby BronXBombers51 » Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:44 pm

wrveres wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:
wrveres wrote:worst
1. Paul DePodesta
2. Brain Cashman
3. Houston GM (can't think of his name at the moment, but he got his lunch handed to him this past offseason.)


Everyone hates on DePodesta but I don't know why. Wasn't last year his first year on the job? And he got the Dodgers to the playoffs for the first time in like 10 years. Why is he so awful? The team would be right up there with San Diego if they were completely healthy, battling for the division.


Actually, the laundry list on Depodesta is long...
First off giving him credit for last season is akin to giving Billy Beane Credit for all of the work La Russa and Alderson did in Oakland.

Second off Repo-desta's signing of Valentin, Drew and Kent to go along with Bradley may have looked good on his excel spreadsheet, but everybody knew that they were going to have team chemistry problems galore, which is exactly what they are suffering from right now.


What they're suffering from right now is injuries. This was the same team who was dominating everyone in baseball during April. If they had Gagne, Drew, Bradley, Penny, Odalis, Izturis, etc. healthy all year, they'd be right next to the Padres, or in front of them IMO.
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Postby wrveres » Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:48 pm

also forgot to mention that this past off-season, other GM's, agents and Repo-desta himself, said he was like a 'dear in the headlights', at all of the meetings and during trade negations. He just did not know what he was doing. :-t
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Postby thomasps3 » Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:49 pm

One guy that everybody seems to forget about is Ed Wade in Philly. Guy deals every year, and that team hasn't made the playoffs in like 8-10 years. That is just ridiculous. He constantly gets outmanuevered, for example the Scott Rolen trade for a bag of balls and Polanco. He is just sad.
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Postby flyguys20 » Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:19 pm

Great call on Ed Wade as the nominee for worst GM in baseball. Here are Ed's trade-deadline deals since taking the reins in Philly:


On July 30, 2000, acquired Kent Bottenfield from the Angels for Ron Gant.

On July 27, 2001, acquired Turk Wendell and Dennis Cook from the Mets for Bruce Chen and Adam Walker, then traded Wayne Gomes to the Giants for Felipe Crespo.

On July 29, 2002: traded Scott Rolen, Doug Nickle and cash to the Cardinals for Placido Polanco, Mike Timlin and Bud Smith.

On July 20, 2003, acquired Mike Williams from the Pirates for Frank Brooks.

On July 30, 2004, acquired Felix Rodriguez from the Giants for Ricky Ledee and Alfredo Simon; sent Josh Hancock and Anderson Machado to the Reds for Todd Jones and Brad Correll.

Of the seven deals made just before the trade deadline, the only player still in the Phillies organization is Brad Correll, who is now the rightfielder for Class A Clearwater. Gee, I wonder why the Phils haven't made the playoffs on Fast Eddie's watch?
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Postby Amazinz » Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:23 pm

stumpak wrote:Minaya should figure here too. The Zambrano trade in NY...

Minaya didn't make the Zambrano trade.
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Postby wrveres » Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:25 pm

Amazinz wrote:
stumpak wrote:Minaya should figure here too. The Zambrano trade in NY...

Minaya didn't make the Zambrano trade.



correct .. ;-D

this is Minaya's work .... ;-)


* Destroying the FA pitching market - 22 million
* An ace for the pitching staff - 56 million
* 5 tool OF for the batting order - 119 million
* Finding yourself in last place at the All-Star break ..
Priceless!!
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Postby wrveres » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:18 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:
wrveres wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:
wrveres wrote:worst
1. Paul DePodesta
2. Brain Cashman
3. Houston GM (can't think of his name at the moment, but he got his lunch handed to him this past offseason.)


Everyone hates on DePodesta but I don't know why. Wasn't last year his first year on the job? And he got the Dodgers to the playoffs for the first time in like 10 years. Why is he so awful? The team would be right up there with San Diego if they were completely healthy, battling for the division.


Actually, the laundry list on Depodesta is long...
First off giving him credit for last season is akin to giving Billy Beane Credit for all of the work La Russa and Alderson did in Oakland.

Second off Repo-desta's signing of Valentin, Drew and Kent to go along with Bradley may have looked good on his excel spreadsheet, but everybody knew that they were going to have team chemistry problems galore, which is exactly what they are suffering from right now.


What they're suffering from right now is injuries. This was the same team who was dominating everyone in baseball during April. If they had Gagne, Drew, Bradley, Penny, Odalis, Izturis, etc. healthy all year, they'd be right next to the Padres, or in front of them IMO.


this is from todays LA Daily ...

[url=http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~28541~2962294,00.html]
There should be no surprises here. Tear up a clubhouse year after year, and it is no revelation when clubhouse chemistry becomes as elusive as Jessica Alba at a singles bar. Stability and the Dodgers parted long ago, probably as far back as the day Peter O'Malley announced he was selling the club. Winning will solve, or at least mask, plenty. It at least offers a reprieve until order can be established, as it might have last year when the Dodgers charged to capture the National League West.

Odalis Perez -- in a surprise that rates right up there with "cow gives milk" -- has blasted unnamed teammates and his coaching staff.
"There are people here who think they are superstars, but nobody on this team is a superstar," Perez said. "There are people who are going to the Hall of Fame, and I respect that, but people come from other teams and think they're superstars."

So much turnover has left the clubhouse without a true leader.
No matter how hard they try, it never seems to work for pitchers (see: Orel Hershiser). Eric Gagne may try his best to lead, but it's never the same as a daily position player.
Jason Werth and Izturis are still too young.
Milton Bradley, still on the DL, has too much recent baggage.
J.D. Drew would actually be required to speak.
Jason Phillips, Jose Valentin are too new.
Kent appears to sense the leadership void and tries to mollify it, but it goes against his loner nature.

General manager Paul DePodesta's theories and statistics may yet prove out. But his wholesale changes in the short term have left a foreign, leaderless clubhouse, its problems exacerbated by the wealth of injuries that have filled it with an unseemly amount of young players trying to find their way.

He knew what he was getting when he re-signed the vocal Perez. After allowing Scott Boras to dictate the slow pace in signing Adrian Beltre, he was left desperate to sign players, and back came Perez.

Now the team tumbles, and the instability of the clubhouse and lack of chemistry becomes startlingly apparent. Fingers begin to point. There is no surprise here. It's reap what you sow. If the Dodgers can't find a way to overcome their situation, then no amount of trading-deadline deals can save them.
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Postby davidmarver » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:23 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:
wrveres wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:
wrveres wrote:worst
1. Paul DePodesta
2. Brain Cashman
3. Houston GM (can't think of his name at the moment, but he got his lunch handed to him this past offseason.)


Everyone hates on DePodesta but I don't know why. Wasn't last year his first year on the job? And he got the Dodgers to the playoffs for the first time in like 10 years. Why is he so awful? The team would be right up there with San Diego if they were completely healthy, battling for the division.


Actually, the laundry list on Depodesta is long...
First off giving him credit for last season is akin to giving Billy Beane Credit for all of the work La Russa and Alderson did in Oakland.

Second off Repo-desta's signing of Valentin, Drew and Kent to go along with Bradley may have looked good on his excel spreadsheet, but everybody knew that they were going to have team chemistry problems galore, which is exactly what they are suffering from right now.


What they're suffering from right now is injuries. This was the same team who was dominating everyone in baseball during April. If they had Gagne, Drew, Bradley, Penny, Odalis, Izturis, etc. healthy all year, they'd be right next to the Padres, or in front of them IMO.

And if Khalil Greene, Ramon Hernandez, Adam Eaton, Eric Young, Mark Loretta, Phil Nevin, Dave Roberts, and Jake Peavy had been healthy all season long the Padres would be 15+ games in front ;-D .
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Postby blackbearabroad » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:33 pm

is anyone going to fault DePodesta for NOT sighning Beltre? And the Astros GM (who replaced Hunceker?) isn't the frist (and sure wont be the last) GM outmanuvered by Boras
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:36 pm

blackbearabroad wrote:is anyone going to fault DePodesta for NOT sighning Beltre? And the Astros GM (who replaced Hunceker?) isn't the frist (and sure wont be the last) GM outmanuvered by Boras


I would never fault him for not signing Beltre. And I thought he would've been stupid to pay him that much money then, and I've turned out to be right. I couldn't believe how many Dodger fans were pissed they didn't sign him. He wasn't worth it.
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