Jeter All-star Snubbed - Fantasy Baseball Cafe 2014 Fantasy Baseball Cafe
100% Deposit Bonus for Cafe Members!

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Jeter All-star Snubbed

Moderator: Baseball Moderators

Postby joshheines » Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:32 pm

Yup, did you? A majority of the posts are comparing Jeter (who is claimed to have been snubbed) with Pods (who made the team). The logical jump would be to say that Torii, not Jeter was robbed. It's something you don't want to get into with me, simply, because you'll lose.
It's easy, fun, and 100% safe!
joshheines
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor

User avatar
Mock(ing) Drafter
Posts: 535
Joined: 29 Sep 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby BronXBombers51 » Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:34 pm

joshheines wrote:Yup, did you? A majority of the posts are comparing Jeter (who is claimed to have been snubbed) with Pods (who made the team). The logical jump would be to say that Torii, not Jeter was robbed. It's something you don't want to get into with me, simply, because you'll lose.


Um, yeah I've been involved in the thread.

If you've paid any attention you'd know not all Yankee fans, including myself, said Jeter got snubbed. If you go back and read my post I said I wouldn't take Jeter over all the other guys on the ballot but I would over Podsednik.

So don't say "Quit crying Yankee fans," 'cause I'm a Yankee fan and I'm not crying.
25
BronXBombers51
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Mock(ing) Drafter
Posts: 11949
(Past Year: 54)
Joined: 8 Apr 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby bselig » Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:57 pm

Many of the posts on this thread are truly laughable. Podsednik deserves it over Jeter because he was voted on - that's fine. If you're even trying to argue that's he's better at baseball please wrap a plastic bag around your head tonight before you go to bed so your non-brain will be put out of its misery. The argument that Podsednik is a better fit for the team because he's automatic stealing bases seems like a good one as far as team strength goes, but I don't think a guy being a specialist in only one category is enough to warrant his selection over a vastly superior player. It's an "allstar" game, not a "players who best fit this team's needs for one game" game. The only reason Jeter doesn't deserve to be on instead of Podsednik is because the voters didn't want him on. That's totally ok.
Image
[b][size=35]25[/size][/b]
bselig Beginner
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor

User avatar

Posts: 948
Joined: 3 Feb 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby nsulham » Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:03 pm

Agreed with the previous poster. All this "Who got snubbed" talk is becoming repetitive drivel. Podsednik is in, Jeter and Hunter are out, bottom line.

It doesn't matter who's better, all that matters is Pods got the vote and that's that.

Continuing on about who has the better numbers might do well for discussions here on this board but it won't take away what's already been done, and that is that Pods got voted in and the others didn't.

Is he more deserving, is he less deserving is inconsequential now.
Image
nsulham
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
CafeholicFantasy ExpertMock(ing) Drafter
Posts: 4883
Joined: 26 Dec 2002
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Charlottesville

Postby davidmarver » Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:04 pm

No way has Jeter done more for his team than Podsey. Pods is a HUGE part of why the Sox have been so dominating this year. His hard work and caliber of play has done a lot more for the Sox than Jeter's "leadership" of the Yankees. Stat's be damned, I think it'd be foolished to say Jeter deserves it more.

I couldn't disagree more; Jeter is the face of the Yankees and a true gamer. Podsednik is little more than a base-stealer and a decent defender. Podsednik has only nine win shares this season, less than Jeter. Jeter has created 54 runs this season while Podsednik has only created 39. Jeter's IF/F ratio (measures how often a player pops up) is at an unbelievable 0.02 (Wade Boggs-esque) while Podsednik's is 0.21 (not very good at all). There is no way someone can argue that Podsednik has helped the White Sox more than Jeter has the Yankees or that Podsednik is the better player.

The crux of any argument thinking Podsednik should be the 32nd man over Jeter is based upon team need; I'm under the impression that no Pod or Jeter supporter, other than myself, thinks along the same lines I am...that we should be voting for the player that would best help the team. In that respect the choice was undoubtedly Podsednik because he is the best base-stealer either team has (could be pivitol in a late-game situation), but by no means is he more deserving or a better player than Derek Jeter. However, if I am Terry Francona or any AL-contending team, I want Podsednik as the 32nd man and that's the premise from which my opinion stems.

Ensberg being snubbed, there's your travesty man.

No way...if any NL player was snubbed, it was Brian Giles. Giles is fifth in the NL in runs created, behind D.Lee, Pujols, Abreu, and Bay. Giles is sixth in OBP in the NL, fourth in gross production average (a ballpark adjusted OPS metric) behind D.Lee, Pujols, and Nick Johnson, and in the entire majors Giles ranks 10th in Win Shares for a position player; Ensberg is 27th. Besides all this, Giles is the most patient player in the majors, leading with 66 walks (in comparison to only 41 K). Ensberg may have more homeruns, but Giles still has the same amount of extra-base hits (he just doubled), including 5 triples.
Image
davidmarver
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Cafe WriterMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyePick 3 ChampionLucky Ladders Weekly WinnerTrivia Time Trial Monthly Winner
Posts: 6154
Joined: 11 Jan 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: 5.5 Hole

Postby BronXBombers51 » Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:05 pm

nsulham wrote:Agreed with the previous poster. All this "Who got snubbed" talk is becoming repetitive drivel. Podsednik is in, Jeter and Hunter are out, bottom line.

It doesn't matter who's better, all that matters is Pods got the vote and that's that.

Continuing on about who has the better numbers might do well for discussions here on this board but it won't take away what's already been done, and that is that Pods got voted in and the others didn't.

Is he more deserving, is he less deserving is inconsequential now.


I agree for the most part. I don't believe Jeter got snubbed, even though I feel he's lightyears ahead of Pods, simply because if the best players were to make the team, Hunter or Matsui would've made it, not Jeter.

The only reason I'm involved is because some people are trying to say Pods is a better player than Jeter, and deserves it more, which is a joke.
25
BronXBombers51
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Mock(ing) Drafter
Posts: 11949
(Past Year: 54)
Joined: 8 Apr 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby blankman » Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:07 pm

davidmarver wrote:
No way has Jeter done more for his team than Podsey. Pods is a HUGE part of why the Sox have been so dominating this year. His hard work and caliber of play has done a lot more for the Sox than Jeter's "leadership" of the Yankees. Stat's be damned, I think it'd be foolished to say Jeter deserves it more.

I couldn't disagree more; Jeter is the face of the Yankees and a true gamer. Podsednik is little more than a base-stealer and a decent defender. Podsednik has only nine win shares this season, less than Jeter. Jeter has created 54 runs this season while Podsednik has only created 39. Jeter's IF/F ratio (measures how often a player pops up) is at an unbelievable 0.02 (Wade Boggs-esque) while Podsednik's is 0.21 (not very good at all). There is no way someone can argue that Podsednik has helped the White Sox more than Jeter has the Yankees or that Podsednik is the better player.

The crux of any argument thinking Podsednik should be the 32nd man over Jeter is based upon team need; I'm under the impression that no Pod or Jeter supporter, other than myself, thinks along the same lines I am...that we should be voting for the player that would best help the team. In that respect the choice was undoubtedly Podsednik because he is the best base-stealer either team has (could be pivitol in a late-game situation), but by no means is he more deserving or a better player than Derek Jeter. However, if I am Terry Francona or any AL-contending team, I want Podsednik as the 32nd man and that's the premise from which my opinion stems.

Ensberg being snubbed, there's your travesty man.

No way...if any NL player was snubbed, it was Brian Giles. Giles is fifth in the NL in runs created, behind D.Lee, Pujols, Abreu, and Bay. Giles is sixth in OBP in the NL, fourth in gross production average (a ballpark adjusted OPS metric) behind D.Lee, Pujols, and Nick Johnson, and in the entire majors Giles ranks 10th in Win Shares for a position player; Ensberg is 27th. Besides all this, Giles is the most patient player in the majors, leading with 66 walks (in comparison to only 41 K). Ensberg may have more homeruns, but Giles still has the same amount of extra-base hits (he just doubled), including 5 triples.


A good post without the Yankee hate. Nice post david ;-D
blankman
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

Graphics Expert
Posts: 10770
Joined: 6 Jul 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby KronJon » Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:22 am

bd3521 wrote:
KronJon wrote:Jeter didn't get snubbed. Tejada and Young are better.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=1
Look how close Jeter and Young are. You cannot say that Young is blowing Jeter out of the water.




Read my post again. I said Young is better. Your link only helped to prove me right. I never once said anything about "blowing Jeter out of the water".
KronJon
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar

Posts: 1247
Joined: 28 Apr 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby HOOTIE » Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:08 am

CrazyPooja90 wrote:I don't think Jeter should have even been on the ballot. What exactly has he done that warrants him an All Star? It seems to me they were looking for a fan favorite. Pods does more than just steal bases. He does stuff for the White Sox that there aren't even stats for. He gets things started, he messes with pitcher's minds.


What has Jeter done you ask? Well, except for sb, he beats Pods in everything. A outfielder in a All Star game with only a .709 ops, should back out.
Smells Like Teen Spirit
HOOTIE
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicResponse TeamFantasy ExpertCafe Ranker
Posts: 15115
(Past Year: 297)
Joined: 12 Jan 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Pearl Jam country, right next door to Nirvana, Soundgarden, and Alice in Chains.

Postby Strasil42 » Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:30 am

blankman wrote:
davidmarver wrote:
No way has Jeter done more for his team than Podsey. Pods is a HUGE part of why the Sox have been so dominating this year. His hard work and caliber of play has done a lot more for the Sox than Jeter's "leadership" of the Yankees. Stat's be damned, I think it'd be foolished to say Jeter deserves it more.

I couldn't disagree more; Jeter is the face of the Yankees and a true gamer. Podsednik is little more than a base-stealer and a decent defender. Podsednik has only nine win shares this season, less than Jeter. Jeter has created 54 runs this season while Podsednik has only created 39. Jeter's IF/F ratio (measures how often a player pops up) is at an unbelievable 0.02 (Wade Boggs-esque) while Podsednik's is 0.21 (not very good at all). There is no way someone can argue that Podsednik has helped the White Sox more than Jeter has the Yankees or that Podsednik is the better player.

The crux of any argument thinking Podsednik should be the 32nd man over Jeter is based upon team need; I'm under the impression that no Pod or Jeter supporter, other than myself, thinks along the same lines I am...that we should be voting for the player that would best help the team. In that respect the choice was undoubtedly Podsednik because he is the best base-stealer either team has (could be pivitol in a late-game situation), but by no means is he more deserving or a better player than Derek Jeter. However, if I am Terry Francona or any AL-contending team, I want Podsednik as the 32nd man and that's the premise from which my opinion stems.

Ensberg being snubbed, there's your travesty man.

No way...if any NL player was snubbed, it was Brian Giles. Giles is fifth in the NL in runs created, behind D.Lee, Pujols, Abreu, and Bay. Giles is sixth in OBP in the NL, fourth in gross production average (a ballpark adjusted OPS metric) behind D.Lee, Pujols, and Nick Johnson, and in the entire majors Giles ranks 10th in Win Shares for a position player; Ensberg is 27th. Besides all this, Giles is the most patient player in the majors, leading with 66 walks (in comparison to only 41 K). Ensberg may have more homeruns, but Giles still has the same amount of extra-base hits (he just doubled), including 5 triples.


A good post without the Yankee hate. Nice post david ;-D


I was about to say the same thing. Impressive post. ;-D
Strasil42
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar

Posts: 4347
Joined: 14 Apr 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Omaha

PreviousNext

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests

Forums Articles & Tips Sleepers Rankings Leagues


Today's Games
Thursday, Sep. 18
(All times are EST, weather icons show forecast for game time)

Texas at Oakland
(3:35 pm)
Toronto at NY Yankees
(7:05 pm)
Boston at Pittsburgh
(7:05 pm)
Washington at Miami
(7:10 pm)
indoors
LA Dodgers at Chi Cubs
(8:05 pm)
Cleveland at Houston
(8:10 pm)
Milwaukee at St. Louis
(8:15 pm)
Arizona at Colorado
(8:40 pm)
Philadelphia at San Diego
(9:10 pm)
Seattle at LA Angels
(10:05 pm)

  • Fantasy Baseball
  • Article Submissions
  • Privacy Statement
  • Site Survey 
  • Contact