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Postby MMoNeY24 » Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:44 pm

kingctb27 wrote:Another guy is Shaun Estes. :-o :-o :-o


He's not good, but not one of the worst.
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Postby quietstorm » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:36 am

superfly wrote:"C — Chris Snyder, Diamondbacks

Lots of competition for this position in the NL — perennial cipher Brad Ausmus is right there, as are Yadier Molina, Jason Phillips and Mike Lieberthal — but top honors go to Snyder. Despite playing half his games in one of the best hitter's parks around, he's got a .309 OBP and is on pace for only 23 extra-base hits this season."

Sorry but this blurb makes the article lose any credibility. Yadier Molina is the best defensive catcher in the majors.
And Ausmus has been the same, historically.
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Postby moochman » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:29 am

Can I nominate my whole starting pitching staff--Lou Pinella.

At a cool $9 mil this season I have to think the Bobby Higginson is the worst player for the dollar. I think he was hitting around .190 before his arm was injured. :-P
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Postby Mookie4ever » Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:42 am

Some players who were overlooked:

C - Miguel Olivo 0.141
1B - Carlos Pena
2B - Keith Ginter/Brett Boone
ss - Jack Wilson
3B - Eric Hinske
OF - Austin Kearns/Brian Jordan
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:52 am

Worst by VORP on B Pro: Guzman -12.8 (second is Olivo with -11.1)

Pitchers dominate the worst, though. 9 pitchers have lower VORP than Guzman.

Gavin Floyd PHI NL -13.0
Juan Cruz OAK AL -13.2
Wil Ledezma DET AL -14.1
Travis Harper TBA AL -14.2
Ezequiel Astacio HOU NL -15.5
Tim Redding SDN NL -15.9
Joe Kennedy COL NL -20.0
Eric Milton CIN NL -20.6

And the worst plaer by VORP in MLB this year....

Jose Lima KCA AL -24.2
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:57 am

And according to Win Shares the bottom twn are:


1048 AL A Boone CLE 3B -3
1049 AL A Berroa KC SS -3
1050 NL S Dohmann COL RP -4
1051 NL E Astacio HOU SP -4
1052 NL T Adams PHI RP -4
1053 NL E Milton CIN SP -5
1054 NL A Leiter FLA SP -5
1055 NL T Redding SD SP -6
1056 AL J Lima KC SP -6

And the worst player, ranked number 1057 among the 1057 players who have seen action....

1057 NL C Guzman WAS SS -8
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Postby swyck » Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:11 am

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:
ocmusicjunkie wrote:I don't think you can put a catcher on that list when he has a glove like Molina.

Offense might be 50% of the game, but defense is 80% of catching.


Well, no. The game is 50% offense and 50% defense. Defense is about 80% pitching and about 20% fielding. So, that makes it 50% hitting, 40% pitching and about 10% fielding. So, Molina stinks at half the game, and has only minor contributions to make in fielding, since catchers have so few plays. There's little evidence that catchers have a huge impact on pitching, but that may be something we learn more about in the future.


Have there been any studies or articles on the effect of a catcher on pitching? Dont they call the pitches, and determine where they should go? That sounds important to me.

I can't believe that there is no such thing as a catcher that's good at handling pitchers. I could be wrong and this may be just another baseball myth.
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Re: Worst player in baseball

Postby LooseCannon » Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:54 am

Strasil42 wrote:http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/3740584

Tony womack was voted the worst player in baseball with a close victory over Cristian Guzman.


Funny, in the beginning of the year....they were both drafted in my league.
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Postby Mercer Boy » Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:37 am

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:And the worst player by VORP in MLB this year....

Jose Lima KCA AL -24.2


Thank you! ;-D :-P :-D
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Postby Mookie4ever » Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:39 am

Once again the CBS Sportsline prognosticators amaze and astound me.

Pre-season prediction for Christian Guzman Jan 21, 2005:

Guzman comes to Washington with a nifty $16.8 million, four-year deal. The former Twins shortstop will be 27 on opening day, making him due for a breakout season ala Carlos Guillen of 2004. Although he will be learning a new league, Guzman should now be considered a potential sleeper as a Fantasy shortstop. You have heard the story before: relatively disappointing shortstop prospect leaves, turns 27 and has a breakout year. Now, Guillen is stronger than Guzman, but the situations should be close. Age 27, the industry-accepted "prime," is a great time to be buying a player. Definitely consider Guzman as a sleeper option on Draft Day. (Updated 1/21/05)


Predicted stats:

Projected 2005 Totals WAS

618 AB 90 Runs 173 Hits 12 Hr 60 RBI 32 BB 15 SB 0.2799 BA 0.3192 OBP 0.4126 Slg


Currently on pace for :

484 BA 38 Runs 97 hits 5 HR 24 RBI 24 BB 5 SB 0.2004 BA 0.2377 OBP 0.2831 Slg


.237 OBP and 0.283 Slg :-b
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