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Postby CrazyPooja90 » Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:39 pm

superfly wrote:"C — Chris Snyder, Diamondbacks

Lots of competition for this position in the NL — perennial cipher Brad Ausmus is right there, as are Yadier Molina, Jason Phillips and Mike Lieberthal — but top honors go to Snyder. Despite playing half his games in one of the best hitter's parks around, he's got a .309 OBP and is on pace for only 23 extra-base hits this season."

Sorry but this blurb makes the article lose any credibility. Yadier Molina is the best defensive catcher in the majors.


My thoughts exactly.
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Postby WharfRat » Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:27 pm

bigh0rt wrote:
davidmarver wrote:Sean Burroughs is Tony Womack with no speed.


Sad, but true. :-°


Tony Womack with no speed is painful to think about. My sympathies. :-D

I actually would take Womack over Guzman slightly, but that's probably because I've watched the Nats more than the Yankees this year and can attest firsthand to Guzman's extreme suckitude in ways that no one can fathom.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:01 pm

CrazyPooja90 wrote:
superfly wrote:"C — Chris Snyder, Diamondbacks

Lots of competition for this position in the NL — perennial cipher Brad Ausmus is right there, as are Yadier Molina, Jason Phillips and Mike Lieberthal — but top honors go to Snyder. Despite playing half his games in one of the best hitter's parks around, he's got a .309 OBP and is on pace for only 23 extra-base hits this season."

Sorry but this blurb makes the article lose any credibility. Yadier Molina is the best defensive catcher in the majors.


My thoughts exactly.


He is...but he's also one of the worst offensive catchers in the majors, and offense is 50% of the game. Still, Olivo, Moeller, and Buck deserve a lot more attention than Molina, Phillips and Lieberthal.
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Postby ocmusicjunkie » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:04 pm

I don't think you can put a catcher on that list when he has a glove like Molina.

Offense might be 50% of the game, but defense is 80% of catching.
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Postby Cleveland Steamers » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:08 pm

No player is worse than Christian Guzman. He shouldnt start in a Texas League. When the Nationals will wake up and start ANYONE other than him is beyond me...
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:21 pm

ocmusicjunkie wrote:I don't think you can put a catcher on that list when he has a glove like Molina.

Offense might be 50% of the game, but defense is 80% of catching.


Well, no. The game is 50% offense and 50% defense. Defense is about 80% pitching and about 20% fielding. So, that makes it 50% hitting, 40% pitching and about 10% fielding. So, Molina stinks at half the game, and has only minor contributions to make in fielding, since catchers have so few plays. There's little evidence that catchers have a huge impact on pitching, but that may be something we learn more about in the future.
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Postby dannyolbb » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:21 pm

I'm glad to see that I made the list.
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Postby WharfRat » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:24 pm

Cleveland Steamers wrote:No player is worse than Christian Guzman. He shouldnt start in a Texas League. When the Nationals will wake up and start ANYONE other than him is beyond me...


They've been starting Jamey Carroll now that Guzman has a bad hammy. A minor improvement so far, I'd say, and he fits in with the Nats' small-ball ways, as opposed to Guzman, who doesn't really fit in anywhere, no matter the offensive philosophy. But Guzman IS a .260 career hitter.
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Postby ocmusicjunkie » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:28 pm

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:Well, no. The game is 50% offense and 50% defense. Defense is about 80% pitching and about 20% fielding. So, that makes it 50% hitting, 40% pitching and about 10% fielding. So, Molina stinks at half the game, and has only minor contributions to make in fielding, since catchers have so few plays. There's little evidence that catchers have a huge impact on pitching, but that may be something we learn more about in the future.


For a team, yes, the game is 50/50. For a player, it is not. You cannot say hitting and defense are 50/50 for both a left fielder and a catcher. One is involved in an huge number more defensive plays than the other. Only one player is involved in defending every potential scoring play. Also, the disparity between a great hitting catcher and a poor hitting catcher is not nearly as great as at other positions.
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Postby Mercer Boy » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:53 pm

No love for Lima Time?

I thought he was the consensus worst player in baseball. :-?
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