George_Foreman wrote:well, you might be right that the public won't accept that... but since we're talking about the "real" MVP or whatever, i'll take that .350 OBP any day.
and incidentlly, i did say that i was talking about OBP rather than BA... no need to get snippy.
A .350 OBP is good for only 31st in the AL What's so great about that?
Well, I believe he was comparing Konerko's OBP to Tejada's OBP.
If you use OBP instead of AVG, Tejada and Konerko have similar numbers.
I see.... Tejada's OBP is a very, very pedestrial 16th in the AL. Roberts is 1st and 1st in SLG. I don't see how anyone can take Tejada over Roberts.
Pedestrian....sorry, that's my journalism major coming out
George_Foreman wrote:well, you might be right that the public won't accept that... but since we're talking about the "real" MVP or whatever, i'll take that .350 OBP any day.
and incidentlly, i did say that i was talking about OBP rather than BA... no need to get snippy.
A .350 OBP is good for only 31st in the AL What's so great about that?
Well, I believe he was comparing Konerko's OBP to Tejada's OBP.
If you use OBP instead of AVG, Tejada and Konerko have similar numbers.
I see.... Tejada's OBP is a very, very pedestrial 16th in the AL. Roberts is 1st and 1st in SLG. I don't see how anyone can take Tejada over Roberts.
I love both tejada and BRob and think that they are both special players having special seasons, but the thing that swings it for me goes back to the literal meaning of the award. MVP, Most Valuable Player, the guy who if his team didnt have him would fall apart. for the orioles that guy is tejada, not BRob. tejada is the consistent producer, the fabulous and undisputed leader and clubhouse presence. he plays hard all the time and every day (has the streak for most games played among active players i believe ). he is the glue for that team.
thats just my reasoning. i really wouldnt mind if it went to either of them though.
George_Foreman wrote:well, you might be right that the public won't accept that... but since we're talking about the "real" MVP or whatever, i'll take that .350 OBP any day.
and incidentlly, i did say that i was talking about OBP rather than BA... no need to get snippy.
A .350 OBP is good for only 31st in the AL What's so great about that?
Well, I believe he was comparing Konerko's OBP to Tejada's OBP.
If you use OBP instead of AVG, Tejada and Konerko have similar numbers.
I see.... Tejada's OBP is a very, very pedestrial 16th in the AL. Roberts is 1st and 1st in SLG. I don't see how anyone can take Tejada over Roberts.
Pedestrian....sorry, that's my journalism major coming out
Yes of course. I know the word- it was a complete typo
My vote went to Arod. Simply because of the numbers:
.319 BA, 6th in the AL
20 Homers, Tied for 2nd in the AL
66 RBIs, 3rd in the AL
58 Runs, 4th in the AL
.414 OBP, 3rd in the AL
97 Hits, Tied for 6th in the AL
Say all you want about 1 good game, Arod is doing it all offensively this season for the Yankees, and has been the 3rd best player in baseball this season IMO, behind Pujols and D. Lee.
I'm one of those guys who want to give the award to a leader on the best team. That would be the White Sox. Now their performance thus far has been very Patriots like with solid contributions from everyone. But the Patriots have Brady so there must be someone who wins MVP from the White Sox. Candidates include Konerko, Podsednik, Garland, Politte, Hermanson, Buehrle. I dunno who the clubhouse leader is if there is one but based purely on statistics which is a bad way to judge value but I would say Mark Buehrle.
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Grady Sizemore will have more value than Jason Bay regardless of draft position
Aramis Ramirez in 155 G will hit over .300 40 HR 110 RBIs
Brian McCann will have more value than Jorge Posada regardless of draft position
George_Foreman wrote:well, you might be right that the public won't accept that... but since we're talking about the "real" MVP or whatever, i'll take that .350 OBP any day.
and incidentlly, i did say that i was talking about OBP rather than BA... no need to get snippy.
A .350 OBP is good for only 31st in the AL What's so great about that?
Well, I believe he was comparing Konerko's OBP to Tejada's OBP.
If you use OBP instead of AVG, Tejada and Konerko have similar numbers.
I see.... Tejada's OBP is a very, very pedestrial 16th in the AL. Roberts is 1st and 1st in SLG. I don't see how anyone can take Tejada over Roberts.
TheYanks04 wrote:As to Arod...please, when there is a vote for MVP in May against TB or MVP with a 5+ run lead I will consider it.
Yanks, where do you come up with this baloney? Surely as a Yank fan, you would know better?
Arod's 3 year splits
pre all-star .931
post all-star 1.012
Arod's 3 year numbers versus TB was only .726, while overall ops was .967.
Arod in close and late games (3 years), had a .937 ops, only .30 under his .967 ops. Funny how NY thinks DJ is the man, and people crack on Arod. DJ ops was .818 (3 years), but only .708 close and late.[
Looks like Arod hits well in close games late, struggles versus a weak TB staff, and heats up after break (crunch time).
In short, Arod need not apologize for anything. He's a mvp candidate, and won his mvp fair and square.
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I was going to say Tejada, but then I looked at Roberts numbers again: FLAT OUT RETARDED. Who was the last 2B to lead a league in OPS? I thought someone said that only 3 in the history of baseball have done that?
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by nsulham » Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:49 pm What's so great about that?
