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NL Cy Young at Midseason - who gets it?

Chris Carpenter
15
17%
Roger Clemens
19
21%
Livan Hernandez
3
3%
Pedro Martinez
25
28%
Roy Oswalt
5
6%
Jake Peavy
4
4%
Dontrelle Willis
18
20%
 
Total votes : 89

Postby nsulham » Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:36 am

Man is this a tough call but I went with Roger.

Still wanna give a shout out to my man Livan though. Keep chuckin that ball Livan ;-D
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Postby baseballnewb » Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:39 am

Pedro. While clemens may have the best stats, wins are important for cy young and he falls short. Willis has the ERA but his secondary numbers aren't nearly as good as pedros. Pedro is the complete package.
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Postby rotterdam_82 » Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:53 am

Wheres John Smoltz? :-[

You can't have Livan Hernandez on there and not John Smoltz.
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Postby WharfRat » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:17 am

rotterdam_82 wrote:Wheres John Smoltz? :-[

You can't have Livan Hernandez on there and not John Smoltz.


Actually, that's my bad (and my Washington homer-itis coming out :-D ), I kind've forgot about Smoltz, I'd meant to include him initially. He's having a great year, over the past month he's been SICK, and he should really be like 10-4 or something, I know he got screwed out of a couple wins earlier. But even if he were on here, I don't think the results would change much. If Oswalt can't get more than 2 votes, I'm not sure Smoltz would fare any better. When you've got one guy impersonating Gibson '68, and another guy as dominant as Pedro, with Carpenter and Dontrelle in the mix, it's hard to get past that, even with Smoltz's great June.
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Postby rotterdam_82 » Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:02 pm

Hey, thats cool. I would have voted for Carpenter or Willis regardless. Just thought it strange that Livan was included and not 'ole JS. The Washington thing explains all :-D
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Postby nuggets » Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:53 pm

Really hard to choose between Pedro and Clemens. Vote for Pedro! He got screwed when Zito got it! And Clemens has plenty.

I think it's really too bad how much record, your teams offense, defense and bullpen factor in to who is the Cy. Seams more like a team award than individual to me.
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Postby acsguitar » Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:11 pm

I'd give it Chad Cordero his numbers are sick!
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Postby George_Foreman » Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:38 pm

WittyC wrote:Why can't I vote for Chad Cordero? :~(

Okay... I'm pulling ya leg on that one.


honestly, that's a legit gripe. the kid has been amazing, and 28 saves in the first three months is nothing to sneeze at. he's averaging almost a k/IP, his ERA and WHIP are below 1, and he's only blown 2 saves in 30 chances. if gagne was a legitimate candidate in '03, then chad at least deserves an honerable mention. (no one's saying that he's been "gagne-like", just that he deserves mention. :-))
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Postby davidmarver » Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:51 pm

George_Foreman wrote:
WittyC wrote:Why can't I vote for Chad Cordero? :~(

Okay... I'm pulling ya leg on that one.


honestly, that's a legit gripe. the kid has been amazing, and 28 saves in the first three months is nothing to sneeze at. he's averaging almost a k/IP, his ERA and WHIP are below 1, and he's only blown 2 saves in 30 chances. if gagne was a legitimate candidate in '03, then chad at least deserves an honerable mention. (no one's saying that he's been "gagne-like", just that he deserves mention. :-))

Gagne won the Cy Young because he didn't blow a single save that season. Hoffman in '98 was 53 of 54 and he didn't win it. No way Cordero gets close.
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Postby Half Massed » Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:35 pm

davidmarver wrote:
George_Foreman wrote:
WittyC wrote:Why can't I vote for Chad Cordero? :~(

Okay... I'm pulling ya leg on that one.


honestly, that's a legit gripe. the kid has been amazing, and 28 saves in the first three months is nothing to sneeze at. he's averaging almost a k/IP, his ERA and WHIP are below 1, and he's only blown 2 saves in 30 chances. if gagne was a legitimate candidate in '03, then chad at least deserves an honerable mention. (no one's saying that he's been "gagne-like", just that he deserves mention. :-))

Gagne won the Cy Young because he didn't blow a single save that season. Hoffman in '98 was 53 of 54 and he didn't win it. No way Cordero gets close.


that's true. the only way cordero is considered is if he keeps his era around 1 and gets at least 70 saves :-D
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