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Postby smith1051 » Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:07 pm

thehat wrote:
bigh0rt wrote:Boone isn't a fantasy factor unless you're in a league with more than 12 teams. Why are we still talking about this formerly roided up bum still? :*)


Can't disagree with you on his fantasy value, as it's vanished. I think this was just more real life trade talk than fantasy.

That said, if he does get dealt, I bet he goes on a mini-rampage for a week or two. New surroundings have a way of breathing temporary life into many a veteran.


Yeah I was going on real life not fantasy
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Postby bigh0rt » Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:14 pm

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Yeah I was going on real life not fantasy


He still is the most valueable fielding second basemen in the MLB, IMHO.


I'd probably place Kent's defense over Boone's, and maybe M. Giles', but there's no doubt that he's quite the fielding 2B.
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Postby BobbyRoberto » Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:42 pm

Boone's defense is overrated. He was good a few years ago but isn't the same fielder now. I know defensive statistics aren't the best, but there's no stat that has Boone anywhere near the top defensive 2B:

Looking at ESPN.com's fielding stats, these are Boone's numbers (out of 16 secondbaseman who qualify with enough innings played):

Fielding Percentage--.977 (12th)
Range Factor--4.51 (16th)
Zone Rating--.743 (16th)

If anything, his defense has been brutal. He also has 7 errors and only one other secondbaseman has made more errors than Boone this year (Soriano, with 13).
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Postby davidmarver » Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:55 pm

nuggets wrote:After my own research I must say 8-o and retract the absoluteness of my earlier post. The numbers support Kent more than I thought. I know Boone can get to balls that Kent cannot, and turns the double play better than anyone but I didn't expect to see what I did from baseballprospectus.

There is a lot you have to look at when evaluating a fielder, a lot more than fld% and ZR and after intensive discussions about it on this site I have determined that only a large difference in fielding stats can determine the better fielding. IMO, the only real was is to watch them and that's a whole new skill in it's own.

Yeah, Boone used to be one the best fielding secondbasemen ever...he's certainly regressed recently.
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Postby bigh0rt » Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:56 pm

nuggets wrote:
bigh0rt wrote:
nuggets wrote:
smith1051 wrote:
Yeah I was going on real life not fantasy


He still is the most valueable fielding second basemen in the MLB, IMHO.


I'd probably place Kent's defense over Boone's, and maybe M. Giles', but there's no doubt that he's quite the fielding 2B.



KENT! Are you crazy! Sorry to be so boisterous but Boone's emotional ways have inspired me in this thread! Giles you probably could make an arguement for, but old man Kent!?! 8-o


Second Base Defensive Statistics:

2005: 7 E, 237 A, 132 PO, in 621 Innings so far
2004: 7 E, 374 A, 276 PO, in 1189 Innings
2003: 11 E, 354 A, 278 PO, 1116 Innings
2002: 16 E, 412 A, 293 PO, in 1259 Innings
2001: 9 E, 390 A, 269 PO, in 1171 Innings

So, yeah, I'd take "old man Kent", who has done quite well for himself manning the middle infield this century, and before then.

EDIT: You posted your retraction while I was typing this post. ;-D
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