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Postby Octavian » Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:06 pm

Dice wrote:
Box wrote:
Wow....that's just wrong. If anything, Arod has been the only thing keeping the Yankees' offense afloat. And you can't just up and break down someone's contract. Cash and Stein knew what they were getting when they signed Arod, a great player with an albatross of a contract.

Peter Gammons wrote:Batting when it really counts
Do you wonder which batters have had the most RBI opportunities this season. From the Elias Sports Bureau (through June 22):

Hitting with the most men on base this season
248 Rodriguez, Alex, NYY
238 Matsui, Hideki, NYY
237 Lee, Carlos, Mil.
232 Burrell, Pat, Phi.
225 Renteria, Edgar, Bos.
222 Pujols, Albert, St. L
221 Jones, Andruw, Atl.
220 Glaus, Troy, Ari.
218 Burnitz, Jeromy, ChC
217 Abreu, Bobby, Phi.
217 Ortiz, David, Bos.

Hitting with the most men in scoring position this season
131 Rodriguez, Alex, NYY
128 Lee, Carlos, Mil.
121 Matsui, Hideki, NYY
119 Jones, Andruw, Atl.
119 Renteria, Edgar, Bos.
118 Burrell, Pat, Phi.
116 Burnitz, Jeromy, ChC
114 Gonzalez, Luis, Ari.
114 Tejada, Miguel, Bal.
110 Bell, David, Phi.


Box, A-Rod is great, but those stats don't do a thing to prove it. If I read it right, they list how many RBI opportunities each player had, not what they did with them.


Ah, well let me help then. Numbers that prove ARod is great:

.338/20/65 in 284AB
And perhaps the key number: 1.041 OPS
Ranked 1st, 2nd or 3rd in almost every batting catagory that matters.

A few more:

50+ HR in back to back seasons (2001, 2002)
7 years with at least 36 HR, best 57.
8 years with at least 106 RBI, best 142.
401 Career HR.
1 MVP
2 Gold Gloves.

29 Years old.

Yeah, the kid can play some ball. ;-D
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:25 pm

SominaDei wrote:
Dice wrote:
Box wrote:
Wow....that's just wrong. If anything, Arod has been the only thing keeping the Yankees' offense afloat. And you can't just up and break down someone's contract. Cash and Stein knew what they were getting when they signed Arod, a great player with an albatross of a contract.

Peter Gammons wrote:Batting when it really counts
Do you wonder which batters have had the most RBI opportunities this season. From the Elias Sports Bureau (through June 22):

Hitting with the most men on base this season
248 Rodriguez, Alex, NYY
238 Matsui, Hideki, NYY
237 Lee, Carlos, Mil.
232 Burrell, Pat, Phi.
225 Renteria, Edgar, Bos.
222 Pujols, Albert, St. L
221 Jones, Andruw, Atl.
220 Glaus, Troy, Ari.
218 Burnitz, Jeromy, ChC
217 Abreu, Bobby, Phi.
217 Ortiz, David, Bos.

Hitting with the most men in scoring position this season
131 Rodriguez, Alex, NYY
128 Lee, Carlos, Mil.
121 Matsui, Hideki, NYY
119 Jones, Andruw, Atl.
119 Renteria, Edgar, Bos.
118 Burrell, Pat, Phi.
116 Burnitz, Jeromy, ChC
114 Gonzalez, Luis, Ari.
114 Tejada, Miguel, Bal.
110 Bell, David, Phi.


Box, A-Rod is great, but those stats don't do a thing to prove it. If I read it right, they list how many RBI opportunities each player had, not what they did with them.


Ah, well let me help then. Numbers that prove ARod is great:

.338/20/65 in 284AB
And perhaps the key number: 1.041 OPS
Ranked 1st, 2nd or 3rd in almost every batting catagory that matters.

A few more:

50+ HR in back to back seasons (2001, 2002)
7 years with at least 36 HR, best 57.
8 years with at least 106 RBI, best 142.
401 Career HR.
1 MVP
2 Gold Gloves.

29 Years old.

Yeah, the kid can play some ball. ;-D


That really has nothing to do with the topic.
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Postby baseballnewb » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:00 pm

The idea that arod only comes up with big hits when they don't matter is absurd, its a matter of perception over truth. Clutch doesn't exist and there is really no reason to believe arod is anti-clutch from his career.


I would stop overpaying people, pure and simple. They have a very solid top 6 hitters but their 7-9 are pretty weak and their SP is really weak this year. Their mistakes are simply signing older players too long term and signing unproven players like wright and pavano for too much. They also need to think about defense more when signing people. For a quick fix, get a good defensive CF and another SP to start with, most of the fixes need to happen next year though.
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Start with Darth

Postby SonsofSlam04 » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:01 pm

If the Yankees are ever going to get fixed, it HAS to start by that POMPUS/ FAT/ EGOTISTICAL maniac stepping away once and for all. If it wasnt for his lifetime ban(what a joke) the Yanks would have never won those Championships in the late 90's. Few people know but when Darth was away; Gene Michael and Buck Showalter played integral roles in drafting the players they did, signing the right free agents and letting the team perform. As we can see now Darth Steinbrenner is up to his usual antics: creating a Fantasy Baseball Team and destroying whatever is left of the baseball salary structure. As long as that man is alive I hope the Yankees never win another game.

p.s. Cashman is a puppet, for those who write in about him, he is an advisor with little to no power.
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:43 pm

baseballnewb wrote:The idea that arod only comes up with big hits when they don't matter is absurd, its a matter of perception over truth. Clutch doesn't exist and there is really no reason to believe arod is anti-clutch from his career.


I would stop overpaying people, pure and simple. They have a very solid top 6 hitters but their 7-9 are pretty weak and their SP is really weak this year. Their mistakes are simply signing older players too long term and signing unproven players like wright and pavano for too much. They also need to think about defense more when signing people. For a quick fix, get a good defensive CF and another SP to start with, most of the fixes need to happen next year though.


Clutch does exist. A-Rod has been coming through in more and more clutch situations as the season progresses.
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Re: Start with Darth

Postby BronXBombers51 » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:44 pm

SonsofSlam04 wrote:If the Yankees are ever going to get fixed, it HAS to start by that POMPUS/ FAT/ EGOTISTICAL maniac stepping away once and for all. If it wasnt for his lifetime ban(what a joke) the Yanks would have never won those Championships in the late 90's. Few people know but when Darth was away; Gene Michael and Buck Showalter played integral roles in drafting the players they did, signing the right free agents and letting the team perform. As we can see now Darth Steinbrenner is up to his usual antics: creating a Fantasy Baseball Team and destroying whatever is left of the baseball salary structure. As long as that man is alive I hope the Yankees never win another game.

p.s. Cashman is a puppet, for those who write in about him, he is an advisor with little to no power.


Lifetime ban? What?

And why are you so angry that he's taking control of the team? They are doing awful, you should be happy.
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Postby acsguitar » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:46 pm

Did someone say play A-Rod less???bhwahwhahwwhabhwhahbwhahwahwhahbhwahbhawhbhaw


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Postby SonsofSlam04 » Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:01 pm

Bronx Bomber perhaps you are too young to realize that Darth Steinbrenner had a lifetime ban put on his large TUCKUS in the early 90's. It was then where Gene Michael(Genius) and Buck Showalter handled all the baseball operations and put together what eventually became the Championship Teams the Yankees fielded in the late 90's. Now that Darth is back at the helm, he runs a team like you and I run a Fantasy Baseball team .. acquire the best players, regardless of their personal makeup. He is doing what he did in the mid 80's, buy this player and buy that player and if that doesnt work , blame everyone except HIMSELF. I repeat I hope the Yankees never win another game while Darth Steinbrenner is alive.
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Postby stevethumb » Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:38 pm

the topic of this thread is what would you do to right the yankees sinking ship....i read a lotta bitchin' and finger pointin' but where are the specific concrete plans to improve that club ?!
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Postby SonsofSlam04 » Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:42 pm

Have Darth Steinbrenner step away from all decision making! ... Darth is the single biggest reason why this team is underperforming! His collection of All Stars have failed... Allow Gene Michael, puppet Cashman and Joe Torre to manage whatever changes they need to make without that clown intervening!
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