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Postby rmeesig » Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:28 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:By the way, rmeesig, thanks for posting those articles from the Daily News and the Post. I didn't realize it was free to register online and get all of those articles. I'll probably be checking it daily now, at least while the Yankees are under the microscope.


Not a problem.

Not trying to promote any other web-sites here, but NYYFans.com has an excellent daily news page compiled from various RSS feeds.

You can see it here: http://www.nyyfans.com/newswire.php
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Postby blankman » Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:25 pm

On Sheffield not being a "team player" or whatever BronX, I really disagree. I have never in my life seen a player play through so many injuries and so much pain to help his team win. I have nothing bad to say about what Gary Sheffield has done. Vlad obviously would have been a better signing due to age, but Gary has earned his money IMO.

I cannot wait until Mel is gone. He simply sucks :-t
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Postby nsulham » Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:27 pm

blankman wrote:On Sheffield not being a "team player" or whatever BronX, I really disagree. I have never in my life seen a player play through so many injuries and so much pain to help his team win. I have nothing bad to say about what Gary Sheffield has done. Vlad obviously would have been a better signing due to age, but Gary has earned his money IMO.

I cannot wait until Mel is gone. He simply sucks :-t


Stottlemyre does suck but he also doesn't pitch. If you're gonna blame him then you also have to blame the pitchers too.
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Postby Rirruto » Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:47 pm

Did he suck when Cone, Wells, Pettitte, Gooden, El Duque, and Clemens were around too? I don't see how he is responsible for Randy being old, Pavano pitching like he has for his whole career except for last year, Wright's injury, and rookie meltdowns. He's also not responsible for the sub-par Yankee defense and lackadaisical play on the field. The guy has been a championship pitching coach since he joined Torre and is one of the best pitchers the Yankees have ever had. Mel deserves a little better than to be fired in the middle of the season, this is his last season anyway, he's wanted to retire for a while, just wait until October. (or maybe September the way things are going) Obviously the staff is underperforming but to fire a guy with this much Yankee equity is a little too much. He's no Leo Mazzonee but he's not some chump off the street either. Just wait till the end of the season.
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Postby HOOTIE » Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:50 pm

Players win and lose games. In reality, the NYY players are the problem. But if you want to go beyond the players, the puck stops at George. He signed a overrated Pavano (40 mil was ridiculous), Wright. Bernie, Tino, Giambi, Mussina, RJ were almost around during Elvis heyday. The team is old, and very overpaid. Sheffield, Arod are the only 2 guys keeping NY this close. As far as Torre, he's been there too long. Mgrs grow stagnant after about 7 years with the same team.
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:57 pm

Rirruto wrote:Did he suck when Cone, Wells, Pettitte, Gooden, El Duque, and Clemens were around too? I don't see how he is responsible for Randy being old, Pavano pitching like he has for his whole career except for last year, Wright's injury, and rookie meltdowns. He's also not responsible for the sub-par Yankee defense and lackadaisical play on the field. The guy has been a championship pitching coach since he joined Torre and is one of the best pitchers the Yankees have ever had. Mel deserves a little better than to be fired in the middle of the season, this is his last season anyway, he's wanted to retire for a while, just wait until October. (or maybe September the way things are going) Obviously the staff is underperforming but to fire a guy with this much Yankee equity is a little too much. He's no Leo Mazzonee but he's not some chump off the street either. Just wait till the end of the season.


No, but he obviously lost his touch. I'm not pinning just Wright, Brown and Pavano on him, because those guys all suck in the first place.

But you failed to mention Javier Vazquez. You also forgot to mention Jeff Weaver. And Jose Contreras, etc.

No big name pitcher that has been acquired since 2001, no matter what their track record, has done anything in New York.
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Postby Rirruto » Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:17 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:But you failed to mention Javier Vazquez. You also forgot to mention Jeff Weaver. And Jose Contreras, etc.

No big name pitcher that has been acquired since 2001, no matter what their track record, has done anything in New York.

Some people just can't cut it in the big city. I think Vazquez and Weaver prove that. That's a problem in the pitcher's head, not the coach. And signing Contreras was a gamble and the Yanks lost, simple as that. The guy played in Cuba in his whole career and was already 32 when he signed with the Yanks. Regardless, Mel deserves to be relieved with dignity, not fired or forced out in the middle of the season.
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:26 pm

Rirruto wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:But you failed to mention Javier Vazquez. You also forgot to mention Jeff Weaver. And Jose Contreras, etc.

No big name pitcher that has been acquired since 2001, no matter what their track record, has done anything in New York.

Some people just can't cut it in the big city. I think Vazquez and Weaver prove that. That's a problem in the pitcher's head, not the coach. And signing Contreras was a gamble and the Yanks lost, simple as that. The guy played in Cuba in his whole career and was already 32 when he signed with the Yanks. Regardless, Mel deserves to be relieved with dignity, not fired or forced out in the middle of the season.


No, I agree with that. I don't want to see him get fired. There won't be any turn-around in the pitching this year anyway. I just really, really hope he retires at the end of the year. I don't want to see an unhappy ending to his stay in New York.
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Postby Rirruto » Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:38 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:No, I agree with that. I don't want to see him get fired. There won't be any turn-around in the pitching this year anyway. I just really, really hope he retires at the end of the year. I don't want to see an unhappy ending to his stay in New York.

I'm pretty sure he's done after the season, Torre wanted him to come back for more season even though Mel wanted to retire already.
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Postby blankman » Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:31 pm

The NY pressure joke is getting very, very old by now. The fact remains that NO pitcher, old or young has become a better pitcher since coming to the Yankees and pitching under Mel's teaching.

Weaver, Vazquez, Contreras, Brown, Pavano, countless relievers, none of them have improved (only possible exception is Gordon, but that's due to Rivera helping him).

Now if you can't help anyone get better or even stay the same, something is wrong, and he needs to be escorted out. This has gone on for far too long.

Mel simply can't help anyone anymore. Think about this: what do the Yankees do when their pitchers have a lot of problems under Mel? They send them down to Billy Connors to get fixed. Now doesn't that alone say something about Mel? That he relies on someone else to do what he hasn't been able to and can't do? Shouldn't Billy be the Pitching Coach if he's the one that's supposed to fix guys? What's Mel even there for? It's widely recognized that the Yankees do very little teaching, and he's a huge part of that. Unfortunately, Billy Connors sucks as well and hasn't fixed anyone sent down to him, but that doesn't make Mel any less deserving of getting the ax.
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