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Postby go_jays_go » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:04 pm

Whoa. Gagne owners, this may give you a scare. If you don't look at the date, it'll freak you out.

Luckily it's from last year. :-°
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Postby curious_george_43545 » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:07 pm

Haha yeah, I opened the thread up without looking at the date and after the first few posts I was like....what the hell did I miss? :-D
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Postby speedy27 » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:07 pm

go_jays_go wrote:Whoa. Gagne owners, this may give you a scare. If you don't look at the date, it'll freak you out.

Luckily it's from last year. :-°


I too was fooled and was about to hurriedly go pick up Brazoban!!!! Then I thought to myself, Baez will be #2 this season. I looked at the date and sure enough...got me! !+)
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Postby Another Blown Save » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:10 pm

Yeah, I got excited for a second because I have Baez on my team :,-(
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:21 pm

go_jays_go wrote:Whoa. Gagne owners, this may give you a scare. If you don't look at the date, it'll freak you out.

Luckily it's from last year. :-°


I was like, did I miss something? I'm sure glad I drafted Fuentes and Guardado...

Then I see the Brazoban name, huh? Baez is number2.

Then I see the date :-° :-o
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Postby Webster11 » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:31 pm

speedy27 wrote:
go_jays_go wrote:Whoa. Gagne owners, this may give you a scare. If you don't look at the date, it'll freak you out.

Luckily it's from last year. :-°


I too was fooled and was about to hurriedly go pick up Brazoban!!!! Then I thought to myself, Baez will be #2 this season. I looked at the date and sure enough...got me! !+)
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I did the same exact thing :-o :-b
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Postby Amazinz » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:36 pm

SominaDei wrote:
Amazinz wrote:
SominaDei wrote:
noseeum wrote:
SominaDei wrote:
Box wrote:
Jagfan21 wrote:*and out for the season


*And possibly next season if he needs TJ.


That's not true... it might be with Gagne because he already had surgery on that elbow, on that ligament... but Tommy John surgery has pretty much been perfected. They say a lot of guys come back stronger after TJ surgery than when they first started. The days where this injury and surgery end careers and cost multiple seasons have been gone for some time.


It is true. You're right it's not a career ender, but is still take about 18 months before you're able to pitch again. He's out for most, if not all, of next season.


In 1976 Tommy John himself took 18 months to recover. It takes about a year to recover from Tommy John surgery now, we'll see him back around this time next year.

The fact that the operation has been perfected has nothing to do with the recovery time. The human body hasn't changed that much since 1976. Recovery for an athlete is anywhere form 12-24 months. 18 months seems to be the norm. It is very unlikely that Gagne pitches substantially next year and a return prior to the '06 AS break is highly unlikely. And no I'm not a doctor but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.


Bump.

Thanks for trying, though. ;-D Back sooner than I thought... but no where near your alarmist claims of 12-24 months. I waited quietly after that smug post for my claims to be vindicated... and here it is:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260308119


Hey, knucklehead, you might want to get your facts straight before running your mouth. When we initially had this conversation it was concerning Gagne's TJ surgery. You know what? He didn't need TJ surgery.

KFFL wrote:The Associated Press reports Los Angeles Dodgers CL Eric Gagne (elbow) didn't need Tommy John surgery after all. Gagne had surgery on his right elbow and the doctors found less damage than expected. The doctors found a slight amount of fraying from the original graft that was sutured when Gagne underwent Tommy John surgery in 1997. There also were a couple of nerves that had scarred down onto the graft, which was causing Gagne considerable discomfort. So the doctors did a little shaving in the area, which relieved the pressure those nerves were placing on the graft, and sutured a couple of spots. The ligament didn't need to be replaced. He'll still miss the rest of the year, but he'll be out six months instead of 12-14 months and will be ready for spring training next year.
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Postby Zito is God » Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:30 am

*Zing* for Amazinz! :-)

You need to post more, I miss the clever humor :-D .

On a side note, the topic made me happy because I have Brazoban in dynasty, guess his value stays the same... :-/
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Postby EugeneStyles » Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:35 am

OMG, OMG, OMG... I hate you sooooooooooooo much...

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Postby Madison » Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:39 am

Amazinz wrote:
SominaDei wrote:
Amazinz wrote:
SominaDei wrote:
noseeum wrote:
SominaDei wrote:
Box wrote:
Jagfan21 wrote:*and out for the season


*And possibly next season if he needs TJ.


That's not true... it might be with Gagne because he already had surgery on that elbow, on that ligament... but Tommy John surgery has pretty much been perfected. They say a lot of guys come back stronger after TJ surgery than when they first started. The days where this injury and surgery end careers and cost multiple seasons have been gone for some time.


It is true. You're right it's not a career ender, but is still take about 18 months before you're able to pitch again. He's out for most, if not all, of next season.


In 1976 Tommy John himself took 18 months to recover. It takes about a year to recover from Tommy John surgery now, we'll see him back around this time next year.

The fact that the operation has been perfected has nothing to do with the recovery time. The human body hasn't changed that much since 1976. Recovery for an athlete is anywhere form 12-24 months. 18 months seems to be the norm. It is very unlikely that Gagne pitches substantially next year and a return prior to the '06 AS break is highly unlikely. And no I'm not a doctor but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.


Bump.

Thanks for trying, though. ;-D Back sooner than I thought... but no where near your alarmist claims of 12-24 months. I waited quietly after that smug post for my claims to be vindicated... and here it is:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260308119


Hey, knucklehead, you might want to get your facts straight before running your mouth. When we initially had this conversation it was concerning Gagne's TJ surgery. You know what? He didn't need TJ surgery.

KFFL wrote:The Associated Press reports Los Angeles Dodgers CL Eric Gagne (elbow) didn't need Tommy John surgery after all. Gagne had surgery on his right elbow and the doctors found less damage than expected. The doctors found a slight amount of fraying from the original graft that was sutured when Gagne underwent Tommy John surgery in 1997. There also were a couple of nerves that had scarred down onto the graft, which was causing Gagne considerable discomfort. So the doctors did a little shaving in the area, which relieved the pressure those nerves were placing on the graft, and sutured a couple of spots. The ligament didn't need to be replaced. He'll still miss the rest of the year, but he'll be out six months instead of 12-14 months and will be ready for spring training next year.


Exactly. Recovery time for TJ is still right around 18 months, but Gagne didn't need TJ, so he's back early.

That pretty well sums it up. :-°
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