Art Vandelay wrote:
Madison wrote:Take this thread for example. You don't like it that some people joked about if she's hot, let her slide, but if she's ugly, then get her fired. How exactly is that a misogynistic comment?
Madison...you said a lot in your last post that I would like to address, unfortunately I'm at work right now so I don't have the time...but I would like to answer this question:
I look forward to reading your full response.
Art Vandelay wrote:The reason that the statement "If she's hot, let her slide, but if she's ugly then get her fired" is misogynistic is because it focuses a woman's worth on her looks. To say that attractive women are more deserving of a warning in this situation than an unattractive woman would be demeans all women because, again, it focuses a woman's worth on her looks alone.
A misogynistic comment refers to hating women. Demeaning women and hating them are two different things. Neither one are right or proper, but still are different things and should be referred to correctly. Hate is a very strong word. Not all of us toss the word "hate" around as if it has no real meaning, and I'm sure you're not just tossing it out there to get a reaction, or else you would have said hate to begin with. What you're seeing on the boards is not hate though. Even you just admitted that the comment was demeaning. Now if you can see the difference in demeaning and hate, we just might be getting somewhere.
Kind of like I dislike criminals, but I hate child molesters. Someone who robs a 7-11 should serve jail time, while I feel child molesters should be executed. Dislike vs hate. See the difference?
Or Rosie Odonnell (SP?) is ugly to me, but I flat out hate Roseanne Barr (SP?), and it's not because of her looks even though I think she's ugly too. I wish no ill will on Odonnell, I just don't find her attractive. However, if Barr fell off the face of the planet, I can't say I might not smile about it. Ugly vs hate. See the difference?
Art Vandelay wrote:As I said earlier in this thread, I'm really not trying to ruin anyone's fun here (and I do realize that, for the most part, the comments that I am talking about are said in jest). I have never said, that people should not be allowed to say what they are saying, or even that they shouldn't say it...just that it is disheartening to me.
No worries here, I just think you're not quite seeing this the way most people do. Hate isn't something that most people feel on a regular basis. Saying someone's ugly doesn't automatically mean that the person hates them, and I don't think you quite understand that. I could be wrong, but that's the impression you give.
I look forward to your full response when you get time.
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