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Postby ilsa » Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:16 pm

This might seem a little weird, but this happened the other day in a high school game and I was wondering if anyone could clarify what the correct ruling should be.


There's runners on first and second, one out. Batter hits a fly ball to deep right field, runner on second tags and goes to third.

The runner on first unknowingly doesn't tag and advances to second. As I understand it, he can be doubled off first any time before the next pitch is thrown.

After that, time is called and a pinch runner comes in for the runner now at second. The runner comes in and the next guy is up to bat when the defense realizes the original runner never tagged up and he runs to first and doubles the new pinch runner off.

Should the pinch runner be out because the pitcher never threw his next pitch, or safe because the play was called dead when the pinch runner came in?

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Postby RugbyD » Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:19 pm

should be out. i think all that matters is the next pitch.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:43 pm

Runner is out. Effectively this is the same thing as an appeal play that the runner left too early on a tag up (i.e., he failed to tag up). An appeal can be made any time before the next pitch is made.
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Postby Andy1234 » Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:23 pm

if he is out at first, does the pinch runner subsitution still count or to put it another way; can the original runner get a chance to stay in they game?
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Postby davidmarver » Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:26 pm

I don't think the umpire would allow a pinch running change without all the runners on their proper bag...the past play never ended, so no substitutions could be made.
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:28 pm

Did the pinch runner happen to step on 1B on the way to replace the runner at 2B?

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I'd say that you can appeal (not really appealing, just taking too long to try and get the guy out) any time before the pitch. But with time being called, that kinda complicates things.... not really sure.
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Postby reznorsboy » Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:02 pm

I don't think they shoulda granted time should they. Wouldn't that mean the play is stopped just like another pitch.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:08 pm

No. Don't think so. The appeal of a tag up play is not a continuous play like a force play would be. Runner goes and is assumed safe unless the opposition appeals that he either left early or never tagged up (same thing). Pinch runner merely substitutes the person who would be responsible for getting back to the oriignal base and does not change the result of the play I believe. As long as the appeal is made before the next pitch and before the baserunner gets back, the runner is out I believe.
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Postby Tavish » Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:13 pm

reznorsboy wrote:I don't think they shoulda granted time should they. Wouldn't that mean the play is stopped just like another pitch.


The umpire granting time or the substitution doesn't stop an appeal. The only thing that can stop a team from an appeal is a pitch/play/attempted play (ie balks or pickoff attempts would leave the defense without a chance to appeal).
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Postby x27man » Thu Jun 16, 2005 1:06 am

Yanks 04 is correct. Before the next pitch is made to the next batter, just tell the 1st base ump that your appealing the play; with the pitcher on the rubber, the pitcher throws to first base, and if the runner didn't tag up, the runner is out. :-t
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