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Postby rainman23 » Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:11 pm

warrick95 wrote:It's a joke if anybody's dropping him. Y'all can't deny years and years of production vs. just two months. The "no lineup protection" argument doesn't work, because he had none last year and still hit .347. His OBP is at .385 which is pretty high, but still off his normal mid .400s. Thus, it's not like pitchers are always bypassing him. This is just an extended slump and being one of the best hitters of the game playing at Coors' Field, will end eventually. He's one of the best buy lows at this point. Without a great lineup, he won't put up first round numbers, but will still be a 2-3 round player.


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Postby AT » Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:14 pm

My feeling about Todd Helton can be summed up with the following quote from DJ Gallo of sportspickle.com...

Criticize him if you want to, but I think it was very courageous for Clint Barmes to come out and admit that he was injured while holding Todd Helton’s meat.


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Postby bselig » Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:08 pm

I wonder what Helton's trade value is now? Early in the season when Helton was slumping I maintained that I would not trade either Ortiz or Teixeira for him, and was shot down by a number of posters. Obviously Helton's value is way below their values now - but what level is it at? Justin Morneau? Jim Thome? Sean Green? Mike Sweeney? Lower?
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Postby bd3521 » Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:14 pm

bselig wrote:I wonder what Helton's trade value is now? Early in the season when Helton was slumping I maintained that I would not trade either Ortiz or Teixeira for him, and was shot down by a number of posters. Obviously Helton's value is way below their values now - but what level is it at? Justin Morneau? Jim Thome? Sean Green? Mike Sweeney? Lower?


Straight up deals...
Todd Helton
for Carlos Beltran
Accepted Week 10
Todd Helton
for Adrian Beltre
Accepted Week 10
Todd Helton
for Lance Berkman
Accepted Week 10
Todd Helton
for Miguel Cabrera
Upheld Week 10
Todd Helton
for Jim Edmonds
Accepted Week 10
Todd Helton
for Dontrelle Willis
Accepted Week 10
Todd Helton
for Brandon Inge
Accepted Week 1


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Postby AT » Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:34 pm

Todd Helton for Brandon Inge in week 1 huh? No Collusion there... 8-o
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Postby AT » Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:35 pm

Todd Helton for Brandon Inge in week 1 huh? No Collusion there... 8-o
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Postby beltrans_boy » Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:37 pm

I keep saying it: lineup protection is pretty much a myth.

If Helton isn't hitting, it's not because he's surrounded by a bunch of no-namers, it's because he's simply not hitting. Now, his run and RBI totals might take a hit, but his overall production (OBP, SLG, etc.) shouldn't take a hit depending on who hits behind him.
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Postby bd3521 » Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:38 pm

Atrophying Testicles wrote:Todd Helton for Brandon Inge in week 1 huh? No Collusion there... 8-o


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Postby Laean » Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:39 pm

TheYanks04 wrote:2 oe 3 more weeks of Helton hitting like Mienkewitz and you will see him dropped in the majority of leagues. This guy has shown absolutely no signs of life since about April I believe.


that'd be absolutely stupid to do. bench him? sure/yes/duh/whatever. DROP HIM? i wish i played in leagues where it had managers like that.
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Postby beltrans_boy » Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:43 pm

Atrophying Testicles wrote:My feeling about Todd Helton can be summed up with the following quote from DJ Gallo of sportspickle.com...

Criticize him if you want to, but I think it was very courageous for Clint Barmes to come out and admit that he was injured while holding Todd Helton’s meat.


http://www.sportspickle.com/ponder/index.html

By the way, if you don't read this website, you need to.


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And as long as they position her on the hood with her crotch facing the windshield so she wouldn’t inflate during the race, I can’t think of a single reason not to do it.


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