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Postby bleach168 » Tue Jun 03, 2003 4:43 pm

Ever wonder just how competitive your league is? Are you winning by 20 points because you're just that good or are your opponents just that bad?

Here is a pseudo-scientific test I came up with while taking a shower :-) I took the top 12 players from Yahoo's Key's to Success and looked at where they were drafted in my league.

Here are my results,

1. Prior - 45th pick
2. Preston Wilson - 76th pick
3. Pujols - 8th pick
4. Sheffield - 36th pick
4. Kearns - 130th pick
4. Delgado - 61st pick
7. Foulke - 86th pick
8. Vernon Wells - 139th pick
9. Matt Morris - 29th pick
9. Furcal - 106th pick
9. Williamson - 142nd pick
9. Alex Rodriguez - 2nd pick

Average is 71.67

I guess I'll call that my League Quality rating.

If you got time, post your best ratings.


Edit: OOops, left out ARod
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Postby Siege1386 » Tue Jun 03, 2003 7:24 pm

How about if one of them was not drafted at all. I gambled and let everyone pass up on Prior. I picked him up immediately after the draft was over.
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Postby trippinonreality » Tue Jun 03, 2003 7:48 pm

I don't really see what keys to success has to do with league competition level. Wouldn't a better indicator be who are the top producing players as ranked by yahoo and go by where they were drafted.
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Postby bleach168 » Tue Jun 03, 2003 8:25 pm

I don't really see what keys to success has to do with league competition level. Wouldn't a better indicator be who are the top producing players as ranked by yahoo and go by where they were drafted.


I like the Keys to Success because those are the most represented players on the top 500 Yahoo teams. These are the so called "sleepers" that everyone tries to figure out for their drafts. My feeling is, the first few rounds are a given, but it takes a truly gifted fantasy player to draft the Kearns and Preston Wilson's of the world; players who are not the best, but are the best bargain. That is really what makes winning fantasy teams.

But, certainly, we could use a normal player rater.

Yahoo player rater looks like this,

1. Soriano
2. Sheffield
3. Delgado
4. Boone
5. Pujols
6. Mussina
7. Gagne
8. Brown
9. Loaiza
10. ARod

I'd throw out Loaiza though. Any smart owner would have either not drafted him or would have traded him long ago.
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Postby bleach168 » Tue Jun 03, 2003 8:27 pm

How about if one of them was not drafted at all. I gambled and let everyone pass up on Prior. I picked him up immediately after the draft was over.


Good question. I guess if you have a 12 team, 20 round draft then you can think of free agents as a 241st pick. Just add one to however many picks there were in the draft.
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Postby Payne Dailey » Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:54 pm

hey bleach, if you don't mind could you post all of the players in the keys to success? I have stat-tracker but not the add in's. ;-D Thanks
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Postby bleach168 » Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:36 pm

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Postby DGroundhog » Wed Jun 04, 2003 1:44 am

Siege1386 wrote:How about if one of them was not drafted at all. I gambled and let everyone pass up on Prior. I picked him up immediately after the draft was over.


If Prior went undrafted, your League Quality is pitiful.

1. Prior - 34th pick (me)
2. Preston Wilson - 91st pick
3. Pujols - 10th pick (me)
4. Sheffield - 53rd pick (me)
4. Kearns - 156th pick
4. Delgado - 56th pick
7. Foulke - 83rd pick
8. Vernon Wells - 134th pick
9. Matt Morris - 21st pick
9. Furcal - 115th pick
9. Williamson - 169 pick
9. Alex Rodriguez - 1st pick

Average is 76.92

I don't think the Keys to Success really shows much at all. Mostly it is filled with mid round guys who are having good years. A couple of them, Wells and Kearns, an astute owner might gamble on late and be rewarded, showing fantasy owner prowess. Carl Everett and Corey Patterson have outperformed them both and were probably drafted later, Patterson probably not at all. I guess their owners aren't as smart.

Similarly - Mussina, Brown, even Loazia have outperformed Prior and Morris by YAHOO! rankings, but again, their owners do not have the savvy a Prior owner like myself has - even though they were all there when I drafted Prior, giving better value.

You also have to look at the numbers. Prior looks to be significantly more important to a team success, since his ownership percent outdistances Wilson by 1.2 percentage points (a 7.3 percent difference). Wilson and Pujols are only 0.2 percentage points more valuable than Sheff/Kearns/Delgado (1.3 percent difference). After the big gap from Prior to #2, the increments are small. Without applying a t-test or something on the numbers, I would say the only thing you could glean from the Keys to Success is that Prior is by far the largest contributor.

Most likely Prior being in the #1 spot is more reflective of the fact that he was probably the most talked about future star going into this year, and one of the more hyped, well known prospects in recent memory. Any semi-knowledgeable owner would be well aware of his draft status.

Rank Player Percent Owner
1 Prior, Mark (SP-ChC) 16.4
2 Wilson, Preston (CF-Col) 15.2
2 Pujols, Albert (LF,3B,1B-StL) 15.2
4 Sheffield, Gary (RF-Atl) 15.0
4 Kearns, Austin (RF,CF-Cin) 15.0
4 Delgado, Carlos (1B-Tor) 15.0
7 Foulke, Keith (RP-Oak) 14.8
8 Wells, Vernon (CF-Tor) 14.6
9 Rodriguez, Alex (SS-Tex) 14.4
9 Morris, Matt (SP-StL) 14.4
9 Furcal, Rafael (SS-Atl) 14.4
9 Williamson, Scott (RP-Cin) 14.4
13 Dunn, Adam (LF,1B,RF-Cin) 14.0
14 Pierre, Juan (CF-Fla) 13.6
15 Mussina, Mike (SP-NYY) 13.4
15 Mantei, Matt (RP-Ari) 13.4
15 Soriano, Alfonso (2B-NYY) 13.4
15 Williams, Woody (SP-StL) 13.4
19 Helton, Todd (1B-Col) 13.0
19 Carter, Lance (RP-TB) 13.0
19 Boone, Aaron (3B,SS,2B-Cin) 13.0
22 Politte, Cliff (RP-Tor) 12.8
22 Vazquez, Javier (SP-Mon) 12.8
22 Garciaparra, Nomar (SS-Bos) 12.8
22 Brown, Kevin (SP,RP-LA) 12.8
26 Biddle, Rocky (RP,SP-Mon) 12.6
26 Rolen, Scott (3B-StL) 12.6
28 Mulder, Mark (SP-Oak) 12.4
29 Kent, Jeff (2B-Hou) 12.2
29 Looper, Braden (RP-Fla) 12.2
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Postby timkell » Wed Jun 04, 2003 2:11 am

1. Prior - 68th pick
2. Preston Wilson - 97th pick
3. Pujols - 11th pick
4. Sheffield - 56th pick
4. Kearns - 221st pick
4. Delgado - 35th pick
7. Foulke - 66th pick
8. Vernon Wells - 221st pick
9. Matt Morris - 32nd pick
9. Furcal - 111th pick
9. Williamson - 150th pick
9. Alex Rodriguez - 1st pick

89.083 I guess that's why I'm in first! I drafted Sheffield and pulled Kearns off the wire.

Still, my league is pretty good, but we had some technical problems with our draft. We actually had an automated draft where you created your rankings ahead of time. Something fishy went on with ours on CBS. Guys some of us had ranked in the top 50 didn't get drafted at all. Right after the draft there was a mad scramble to pick up players, and all of these guys were on a roster right away.
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Postby bleach168 » Wed Jun 04, 2003 2:53 am

DGroundhog,

That was probably the most intelligent post I've read in a long time. Thanks.

I see now that Keys to Success isn't really about the best sleepers, but rather, the most popular sleepers among the best fantasy players.
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