Mo:The Numbers They Don't Want You To see

[blankman]

Here come wrveres and davidmarver...

I see them. They're over there. Right there!!

Oh, joy. Can't wait to hear the same argument all over again

[Strasil42]

Here come wrveres and davidmarver...

I see them. They're over there. Right there!!

Oh, joy. Can't wait to hear the same argument all over again

The right numbers are posted this time. David won't be able to add starting pitching stats this time to pad his argument.

[GotowarMissAgnes]

I posted already on the Hoffman vs. Rivera issue.

Rivera's got a higher peak, but Hoyt Wilhelm is still considered by most to be the best reliever ever. If Rivera sustains this level (or even a lower level) for another 5-7 years, he'll top Wilhelm, imo.

[GiantFan666]

Well done!

[Strasil42]

I posted already on the Hoffman vs. Rivera issue.

Rivera's got a higher peak, but Hoyt Wilhelm is still considered by most to be the best reliever ever. If Rivera sustains this level (or even a lower level) for another 5-7 years, he'll top Wilhelm, imo.

do you happen to have wilhelm's numbers??

i dont think ive ever seen them.

[Tavish]

All-time its Wilhelm hands down. Its not really Rivera or Hoffman's fault, but the difference between pitching 130+ innings in relief at the highest level compared with pitching 75+ innings at the highest level makes the world of difference.

[Kingctb27]

Here come wrveres and davidmarver...

I see them. They're over there. Right there!!

Great. We have to hear the whole Hoffman/Rivera Crap again.

[GotowarMissAgnes]

I posted already on the Hoffman vs. Rivera issue.

Rivera's got a higher peak, but Hoyt Wilhelm is still considered by most to be the best reliever ever. If Rivera sustains this level (or even a lower level) for another 5-7 years, he'll top Wilhelm, imo.

do you happen to have wilhelm's numbers??

i dont think ive ever seen them.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wilheho01.shtml

There are a few reasons why I'd still rank Wilhelm above Mariano. His IP per season and the number of years he sustained his excellence are still much higher than Rivera's. Rivera's rate stats are better, although Wilhelm comes close to matching what Rivera did during his age 38-48 seasons. So, 2000 IP at 50% better than league average, to me, still tops 750 IP at 90% better than league average.

But if Mo can sustain it even at close to that level for another 500-600 IP, he'd be up there.