Medical Marijuana gets snuffed

[Madison]

The "buzz" is no different and I was reffering to "chew" or "dip" and the first few times someone does either one of them. If you read the entire thing you would know that.

I did read the whole thing. Sure sounded like you meant tobacco and marijuana were equal on the "buzz" scale, but ok, you win this one.

As to you telling me what is best for my anxiety is like a person telling someone what the side effects are without ever doing it. I have been prescribed Paxil and Effexor and neither one of them did the same job as pot did. Simple as that.

Really? You're my doctor and know my health status? I wouldn't go around thinking you're the only person on Earth that's been diagnosed with a particular "condition", but that's just me.

In reference to you suggesting that I could just smoke cigarettes because I get the same buzz for my anxiety is just asinine and shows your stubbornness on the topic. The buzz has nothing to do with the chemical inbalence in my brain and that pot has something in it that helps balance those chemicals.

Really? A doctor told you there's a chemical in pot that takes care of a chemical imbalance in your brain? Please give me his name and number. I have friends that would love to hear this medical revelation, and I'm sure my doctor would love to read the research behind this wonderful discovery. Your doctor just became an extremely wealthy man. Oh, you can PM it to me if you'd rather keep it private.

I dont understand whats wrong with this society where people don't want to help people with thier illness' and have this mentality that it can just be fixed and to deal with it. People sure thing they are better than others and feel the need to keep people down in order to improve their self esteem.

Depends on what the people involved believe. Doctors don't make a nickel if you don't have a "condition", so isn't it convienent that there's a "condition" for everything? Too nervous, too depressed, to obsessive, hyper, not energetic enough, the list of "conditions" goes on and on. What ever happened to plain old "learn to get past it and fix it"?

BTW anxiety isn't always about fear. My anxiety comes from me obsessing over certain things without letting them go and I spend the entire day fixed on something and won't allow it to escape my mind.

Well by golly, that's exactly what my doctor has told me several times. Caused major sleep issues, didn't want to eat, was very lethargic, and just plain old wasn't fun to be around. Are you sure you want to discuss anxiety with me? You don't want to know how I've managed to beat it, or at least keep it at bay. And yes, diagnosed by not one, but two doctors.

You break the law everyday as you stated you play poker online, which is illegal, its just not enforced. Why don't you control that rush by filling it up with a legal alternative? You sure do stand on a soap box.

Talk about someone not knowing what they are talking about.......Show me where internet gambling is illegal. As long as the host site is not based in the United States, it's perfectly legal. Both my tax man and my lawyer are in agreement about it. Please show me where they are wrong because they are both fired as of tomorrow morning if you can prove yourself correct on this issue. Then again, since I've claimed it on my taxes for several years, I would assume I'd be in jail by now if you were right. Dunno, but if you can show it, I'd love to see it.

Oh, and it has nothing to do with "a rush". It's about income. Give it a try. People just throw away perfectly good money at online poker sites. I get no rush from playing online. It's simply a revenue stream. I'm playing while typing this as a matter of fact. It's just that easy of money.

[Phatferd]

As to you telling me what is best for my anxiety is like a person telling someone what the side effects are without ever doing it. I have been prescribed Paxil and Effexor and neither one of them did the same job as pot did. Simple as that.

Really? You're my doctor and know my health status? I wouldn't go around thinking you're the only person on Earth that's been diagnosed with a particular "condition", but that's just me.

There you go again. Where do I suggest anything about your health status? You still have no right telling me what is best for ME. We're all happy you can control your anxiety without certain things, but you aren't the only person on this Earth. Everybody is different in this world and reacts to things in a different manner. As to the chemical I don't know, but there is something in it that eases my anxiety, just as a painkiller goes to a certain receptor in the brain, something in pot does it and its not just for me there are thousands if not millions who feel Marijuana helps their anxiety. Some people take advil for headaches, while others take asprin. One works for someone while the other doesn't.

Since you like what experts in fields say so much then here is a quote for you on gambling online:

According to Professor I. Nelson Rose, one of the world’s leading authorities on gambling law: "no United States federal statute or regulation explicitly prohibits Internet gambling, either domestically or abroad." Still, the US government has taken the position that certain things are illegal, and more importantly, certain things are worthy of prosecution. The Wire Act is the statute most often cited as making on-line gambling a federal offense. The operative subsection reads: "Whoever being engaged in the business of betting or wagering knowingly uses a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest, or for the transmission of a wire communication which entitles the recipient to receive money or credit as a result of bets or wagers, or for information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

It supports what I said 100% that it just isn't enforced.

[Phatferd]

No, I said it serves zero purpose medically, sends the wrong message to kids, and the fact that there's absolutely no reason to legalize it, as my reasons. Not one person yet has mentioned a single solitary decent reason to legalize marijuana. Not one. I'm surprised that no one has mentioned legalizing it and then taxing the crap out of it. At least that way society can battle the potheads that legalizing it produces. Even that's not a very good reason to legalize it, but at least it's something. So far in this thread, there's been nothing at all remotely close to sounding like a decent reason to legalize it.

Actually I did on page 2.

To CubsFan, the majority of users would grow their own weed, if you don't believe me thats fine. To say Phillip Morris and all of those companies would make all this money IMO wouldn't happen. The government could make so much money on it that they could grow it themselves and have locations where they sell it and make all the profit. Hawaii can produce some of the worlds best if people wanted it and they would have great access.

[Madison]

As to you telling me what is best for my anxiety is like a person telling someone what the side effects are without ever doing it. I have been prescribed Paxil and Effexor and neither one of them did the same job as pot did. Simple as that.

Really? You're my doctor and know my health status? I wouldn't go around thinking you're the only person on Earth that's been diagnosed with a particular "condition", but that's just me.

There you go again. Where do I suggest anything about your health status?

In the bolded part. You assume that I know nothing about anxiety disorders. At least that's how I took it with the whole "telling someone what the side effects are without ever doing it" part.

You still have no right telling me what is best for ME. We're all happy you can control your anxiety without certain things, but you aren't the only person on this Earth. Everybody is different in this world and reacts to things in a different manner. As to the chemical I don't know, but there is something in it that eases my anxiety, just as a painkiller goes to a certain receptor in the brain, something in pot does it and its not just for me there are thousands if not millions who feel Marijuana helps their anxiety. Some people take advil for headaches, while others take asprin. One works for someone while the other doesn't.

I agree that some people do react differently to different things. Advil vs Tylenol is a good example there . All I was pointing out is that there are tons of different things, other than resorting to an illegal drug, that can help relieve anxiety.

Since you like what experts in fields say so much then here is a quote for you on gambling online:

According to Professor I. Nelson Rose, one of the world’s leading authorities on gambling law: "no United States federal statute or regulation explicitly prohibits Internet gambling, either domestically or abroad." Still, the US government has taken the position that certain things are illegal, and more importantly, certain things are worthy of prosecution. The Wire Act is the statute most often cited as making on-line gambling a federal offense. The operative subsection reads: "Whoever being engaged in the business of betting or wagering knowingly uses a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest, or for the transmission of a wire communication which entitles the recipient to receive money or credit as a result of bets or wagers, or for information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

It supports what I said 100% that it just isn't enforced.

Thanks Printed it out and will ask my attorney about it. I'm not a lawyer by any means, but the part I bolded is probably enough to mean that there's nothing to worry about. I'll ask the professional about it and get his thoughts. He's a straight shooter (and I know that's pretty unheard of for a lawyer), but he'll tell me straight, be it good or bad. I appreciate the info. Thanks. Worst case for me, I spend even more time in Oklahoma. They are now up and running.

Oh, and yes, you did mention the government selling pot. I was wrong about no one mentioning it yet. You did . I still contend that it's not a valid reason to make it legal though and until a few good reasons, or one really big reason comes out about why legalizing pot would be a good thing, it will remain illegal.

[RugbyD]

I can't speak for other places, but here in Ft. Worth/Dallas, Texas, I've never once heard of a painkiller referred to as a "medicine". Yes, I've had surgeries and no, I do not consider painkillers to be medicine or a medication. All they do is relieve pain, hence the name "painkillers".

Arguing matters of sematics doesn't solve anything, so lets take a step back. Nicotine, mj, penicillin, coedine, morphine, ibuprofin, aceteminophen, alcohol, heroin, caffiene, etc. all come under the classification of "drug". In keeping with the subject of the thread, let's narrow our scope of discussion to "prescription drugs". Why are drugs prescribed? To treat a condition and/or solve the related problem. Bacterial infection is a condition that can/should be treated. Migrane headaches are a condition that can/should be treated. Chronic, high levels of pain that arise from a myraid of conditions can/should be treated. All can be accomplished by prescribing a drug.

This leads into another point of yours:

Anyway, even though I have given some reasoning, it's not my job to explain why pot should stay illegal, it's up to the marijuana supporters to show some sort of decent reasoning as to why it should be made legal.

I'll take a risk and assume that you are OK with certain opiates being legal by prescription. Now to address your point above, at least in a medical way since that's what this thread is about, I will requote myself from page 2 (slightly modified for clarity):

There are many legal opiates, all available by prescription. the problem with these is that people who require prolonged intake due to chronic pain build up a tolerance and the drugs can eventually become ineffective at non-lethal doses. Your body, no matter how tolerant, can only take so much increase in dosage before it becomes lethal. THC apparently has little to none of this drawback.

Everyone's body is going to be different with respect to the effectiveness of certain drugs, which is why the medical community needs the flexibility to effectively address a patient's needs if they are non-responsive to certain therapies.

to get back on topic, am I the only one at odds with the anti-Constitutional nature and logic of the ruling? Can someone convince me that this ruling was Constitutionally consistent?

It's been a long time since I was in school, so please refresh my memory as to why taking an illegal drug out of hospitals (since there's actual medicine that does a better job availiable) is unconstitutional?

I know it's been a while since page 1, but I'll gladly requote myself again:

The federal law banning pot and other drugs is based, in some form, on the interstate commerce clause, which is the basis for much federal law, mostly specious in nature, but I digress.

The crux of the case was not the general legality of weed, but more about a state's rights to regulate intrastate trade. The mj in question was entirely homegrown, with all aspects of the process handled within state borders. It is the primary obligation of the states to establish their own criminal code to deal with such matters. The states in question have done just that, no more no less. And above all, these state laws were with respect to medical purposes only, not even recreational.

As much of the dissenting opinion acknowledges, this ruling can easily be construed to eliminate the concept of federalism from the construct of the criminal code. Profligate amounts of legal commentary to the same effect have been written since the decision came down.

edit: something from reason mag that shows another angle of the inanity of the legal contortion governing this issue.

In its recent decision upholding the federal government's authority to pluck marijuana from the hands of desperately ill people who use it as a medicine, the U.S. Supreme Court noted in passing that "most domestic drug regulations prior to 1970 generally came in the guise of revenue laws." That's a puzzling fact if, as the Court now insists, the power to "regulate Commerce...among the several States" includes the power to ban certain plants and their products from backyards and dresser drawers throughout the nation.

As the Court explained, the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937 "did not outlaw the possession or sale of marijuana outright." Instead it imposed tax, registration, and reporting requirements that made legal possession of the drug prohibitively expensive and burdensome. Members of Congress would not have taken this complex, indirect approach (aspects of which ultimately were ruled unconstitutional) if they thought they could get away with a straightforward ban simply by citing the Commerce Clause.

The fact that Congress felt it had to disguise its first marijuana law as a tax measure suggests how far we have traveled since the 1930s from the plain meaning of the Commerce Clause, which has been transformed into an all-purpose excuse for federal meddling. As a result, individuals oppressed by an overbearing national government cannot realistically expect Congress to explain how its actions are authorized by the Constitution. Instead they must search for a constitutional provision that protects the specific freedom they wish to exercise—precisely the situation the Framers sought to avoid by creating a federal government of limited and enumerated powers.

[WharfRat]

Thanks for returning the favorite, Rugby. I'm not in a long-post-writin' mood today...

[RugbyD]

how does this say "page 6 of 5" at the bottom after wharf's post?

[RugbyD]

for those keeping up, i have edited my page 5 post with some interesting perspective added at the end.

[Yoda]

anyone know where I can get some weed?

[WharfRat]

anyone know where I can get some weed?

You'll need to talk to Samson.