WharfRat wrote:For the record, I didn't call it medicine, I called it medication. BUT - Curative drugs are medicated, but so are painkillers. Have you ever had an operation, Mad? Have they ever prescribed painkillers to help you deal with it? Would you consider these medications? And don't things that make you feel better, when prescribed by a doctor, generally imply medicine?
I can't speak for other places, but here in Ft. Worth/Dallas, Texas, I've never once heard of a painkiller referred to as a "medicine". Yes, I've had surgeries and no, I do not consider painkillers to be medicine or a medication. All they do is relieve pain, hence the name "painkillers".
Madison wrote: We do not need a country full of kids smoking pot. Allowing it anywhere in the country only leads to people stealing and selling it, or in this case, growing and selling it. Since it's illegal and really serves zero purpose medically, I see zero reason for it to be in the country, period.
So are you saying, it should be illegal because it's illegal? Q: Should mj be legalized? A: No. Q: Why not? A: Because it's illegal.
No, I said it serves zero purpose medically, sends the wrong message to kids, and the fact that there's absolutely no reason to legalize it, as my reasons. Not one person yet has mentioned a single solitary decent reason to legalize marijuana. Not one. I'm surprised that no one has mentioned legalizing it and then taxing the crap out of it. At least that way society can battle the potheads that legalizing it produces. Even that's not a very good reason to legalize it, but at least it's something. So far in this thread, there's been nothing at all remotely close to sounding like a decent reason to legalize it.
Anyway, even though I have given some reasoning, it's not my job to explain why pot should stay illegal, it's up to the marijuana supporters to show some sort of decent reasoning as to why it should be made legal.
I've known several pot heads in my life and most of them didn't have enough brain cells left to tie their shoes.
I've known alcoholics who can't get out of bed without the bottle of whiskey right alongside them. People get hit by cars and shot by guns. Is it the car's fault? The gun's? The whiskey's? Or is it a person's fault, one way or another?
Everyone here knows that I lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of whatever idiot does something stupid.
You get drunk, wreck your car, kill a family in the process, I say toss your butt in the electric chair and turn you into a crispy critter on national TV.
Kid gets daddy's gun and shoots another kid? Fry daddy and maybe mommy in the process.
Kid walks out into the road without looking first and gets hit by a car? Kid got what he deserved. Parents should be investigated for not teaching their kid to look both ways before crossing the street.
Car goes up on the curb and kills a kid, fry the driver.
Problem is that the government doesn't have the sack to hardline the rules, and do what needs to be done to shape up this country.
As to the pothead and the alcholic, I don't hold either of the substances at fault. It's the person's fault for being irresponsible and stupid. Does that mean legalizing marijuana, so the stupid people have yet another way to be stupid and a drain on society, while the government doesn't have the stomach to start enforcing punishments that actually carry weight, a good idea? Absolutely not.
Anyhow, legalizing pot so people can get high is silly. Listening to people try to convince others that pot isn't all that bad and that it should be legal is pretty hilarious though. Other than getting high and helping with pain, there's absolutely no basis to argue for legalizing it. None. Zero.
Hrm. Sounds like it serves the same purposes as alcohol, cigarettes, and a zillion other things that really don't have any redeeming social value, yet are legal. I still don't think this has been sufficiently explained why, besides the '30s-era hysteria.
So yet again we're hearing "legalize pot, it's not any worse than what's out there"? That's not a reason to legalize it. It's a run around which isn't surprising since there isn't a decent reason on the face of the planet to legalize it. I've been through several of these types of threads and not one of them has given a sound reason to legalize it. It's always the same old thing.
Comparisons to cigarettes are not even close to comparing the same things. Alcohol is the closest comparison that can be made, and I do agree that alcohol is probably just as dangerous as pot.
Not to mention the message that legalizing marijuana would send to kids. What do you think all the kids would think? Well if they were wrong about marijuana, then are they wrong about cocaine? Heroin? Not exactly the message to put in kid's heads.
Good point, but here's something else: I've known many kids who could have gone ahead and acquired cocaine, heroin, etc, and I could have done the same. But I and other don't, and why? Not because it's illegal, although that helps. It's because those other things KILL YOU. This is a distinction that most potheads I've known make. Common sense tells you not to do something that could kill you pretty easily. But it's not just the job of common sense to tell the kids that, too.
Don't really have a response for this, but I agree that the harder drugs are more life threatening than pot, and I agree that parents should teach their kids the dangers of all drugs, be them legal or not.
RugbyD wrote:to get back on topic, am I the only one at odds with the anti-Constitutional nature and logic of the ruling? Can someone convince me that this ruling was Constitutionally consistent?
It's been a long time since I was in school, so please refresh my memory as to why taking an illegal drug out of hospitals (since there's actual medicine that does a better job availiable) is unconstitutional?
Phatferd wrote:There is a huge misconception on this topic. I don't care what tabacco is classified as, I have done both and I get the same "buzz" from both.
Then the pot you smoked was exceptionally bad. Need a new supplier or something because the difference in pot and cigarettes is quite large. Lol.
Phatferd wrote:I suffer from anxiety and pot was the best thing for it
Didn't you just say that smoking a cigarette gave you the same buzz?
As to the anxiety, there are plenty of other alternatives that do work. Pot isn't the only way to learn to control your fear and apprehension. Actually I misspoke, it's not a way to learn to control it. Just a way around it, instead of addressing and correcting the issue.
Yes doctor, I am sick.
Sick of those who are spineless.
Sick of those who feel self-entitled.
Sick of those who are hypocrites.
Yes doctor, an army is forming.
Yes doctor, there will be a war.
Yes doctor, there will be blood.....