Its funny how many over the counter drugs, substances one can buy. Yet a plant...yes a plant with leaves made from a seed is considered illegal and "Dangerous"
People can buy mass amounts of gasoline, fertilizer, machine guns, grenades, other explosives.
People spend each day driving in small vehicles on high speed roads.
Hard liqour is sold by the jug even though drinking an entire bottle will most likely put you close to death.
Bungy jumping is legal so is jumping out of airplanes and other extreme sports.
There are about 1 billion things more dangerous for you then smoking pot..
My days are behind me but I still think that sending someone to pound me in the arse prison is way harsh for selling weed.
Just had to share this from Fafblog. A hilarious take on the comerce clause issue of the case. (note: requires some appreciation of physics to be appreciate teh full hilarity)
The Wonderful World of Commerce!
"Insolent pot!" says Giblets. "Be more vendible!" "Giblets why are you yellin at that pot plant?" says me. "Giblets is trying to turn it into commerce," says Giblets. "But buying and selling it is too much work. He wants it to be commerce NOOOOOWWW!" "Silly Giblets, everything is commerce!" says me. "Let's step into this maaaagical schoolbus and we will learn all about Our World Of Commerce!"
THE PHYSICS OF COMMERCE!
When you hold a ball in the air it has POTENTIAL commerce. When you let it go the potential commerce turns into KINETIC commerce, which makes it faaaaalllllll through the air! It is caught by Congress or gravity. Classroom Learning Challenge: Levy a tariff on the ball before it hits the ground!
Special Bonus Commerce PARADOX! A cat is in a box. According to quantum mechanics, it is neither bought nor sold. Instead it is a cat commerce waveform sold in all possible states at the same time until it is confiscated and destroyed by the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Cats.
COMMERCE IN THE WILD!
Be very very quiet... we are commerce-watching. To your left is the beautiful red-crested commerce with its unusual nesting activity and its colorful plumage. Up ahead is the Australian striped mock commerce, which is not commerce but uses its natural camouflage to imitate the markings of commerce and confuse predators. To your right is a big moose! You can shoot em all if you wanna. They're pretty much the same.
Extra Credit Nature Koan: If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is around, and Antonin Scalia doesn't like it, can we ban it? Yes.
IMAGINARY COMMERCE!
Commerce doesn't HAVE to be real commerce. We can bring it to life with the power of imagination!
This snowman is not commerce. But we can make him commerce with this ol top hat we found... and if we just believe! Now all the children of the world clap your hands an say together now: "I do believe in an expanded Commerce Clause, I do believe in an expanded Commerce Clause!"
Hooray, now our snowman is commercial an alive an singin an dancin around! "Happy birthday!" says the snowman. He is quickly arrested and detained. Commercial snowmen are strictly controlled by the Department of Snowman Security.
"That wasn't a magical schoolbus at all," says Giblets. "That was just some closet where some guy knocked me out and stole my pot." "Wooooo, maaaagic," says me.
It's also ironic that you can legally buy all the stuff needed to make some of these chemical drugs, however, buying/selling the drug already made is illegal.
You can buy everything legally for making Meth, however, you can't buy Meth legally under the law.
Don't get me wrong, Meth is horrible and very dangerous as are all other drugs for the most part. I am just supporting the legalization of Marijuana. I am just pointing out some of the strange and ironic things in our laws/society.
Phatferd wrote:It's also ironic that you can legally buy all the stuff needed to make some of these chemical drugs, however, buying/selling the drug already made is illegal.
You can buy everything legally for making Meth, however, you can't buy Meth legally under the law.
Don't get me wrong, Meth is horrible and very dangerous as are all other drugs for the most part. I am just supporting the legalization of Marijuana. I am just pointing out some of the strange and ironic things in our laws/society.
Well they can't legalize it man because the moral majority would have a hissy fit
RugbyD wrote:Just had to share this from Fafblog. A hilarious take on the comerce clause issue of the case. (note: requires some appreciation of physics to be appreciate teh full hilarity)
The Wonderful World of Commerce!
"Insolent pot!" says Giblets. "Be more vendible!" "Giblets why are you yellin at that pot plant?" says me. "Giblets is trying to turn it into commerce," says Giblets. "But buying and selling it is too much work. He wants it to be commerce NOOOOOWWW!" "Silly Giblets, everything is commerce!" says me. "Let's step into this maaaagical schoolbus and we will learn all about Our World Of Commerce!"
THE PHYSICS OF COMMERCE!
When you hold a ball in the air it has POTENTIAL commerce. When you let it go the potential commerce turns into KINETIC commerce, which makes it faaaaalllllll through the air! It is caught by Congress or gravity. Classroom Learning Challenge: Levy a tariff on the ball before it hits the ground!
Special Bonus Commerce PARADOX! A cat is in a box. According to quantum mechanics, it is neither bought nor sold. Instead it is a cat commerce waveform sold in all possible states at the same time until it is confiscated and destroyed by the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Cats.
COMMERCE IN THE WILD!
Be very very quiet... we are commerce-watching. To your left is the beautiful red-crested commerce with its unusual nesting activity and its colorful plumage. Up ahead is the Australian striped mock commerce, which is not commerce but uses its natural camouflage to imitate the markings of commerce and confuse predators. To your right is a big moose! You can shoot em all if you wanna. They're pretty much the same.
Extra Credit Nature Koan: If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is around, and Antonin Scalia doesn't like it, can we ban it? Yes.
IMAGINARY COMMERCE!
Commerce doesn't HAVE to be real commerce. We can bring it to life with the power of imagination!
This snowman is not commerce. But we can make him commerce with this ol top hat we found... and if we just believe! Now all the children of the world clap your hands an say together now: "I do believe in an expanded Commerce Clause, I do believe in an expanded Commerce Clause!"
Hooray, now our snowman is commercial an alive an singin an dancin around! "Happy birthday!" says the snowman. He is quickly arrested and detained. Commercial snowmen are strictly controlled by the Department of Snowman Security.
"That wasn't a magical schoolbus at all," says Giblets. "That was just some closet where some guy knocked me out and stole my pot." "Wooooo, maaaagic," says me.
WharfRat wrote:For the record, I didn't call it medicine, I called it medication. BUT - Curative drugs are medicated, but so are painkillers. Have you ever had an operation, Mad? Have they ever prescribed painkillers to help you deal with it? Would you consider these medications? And don't things that make you feel better, when prescribed by a doctor, generally imply medicine?
I can't speak for other places, but here in Ft. Worth/Dallas, Texas, I've never once heard of a painkiller referred to as a "medicine". Yes, I've had surgeries and no, I do not consider painkillers to be medicine or a medication. All they do is relieve pain, hence the name "painkillers".
WharfRat wrote:
Madison wrote: We do not need a country full of kids smoking pot. Allowing it anywhere in the country only leads to people stealing and selling it, or in this case, growing and selling it. Since it's illegal and really serves zero purpose medically, I see zero reason for it to be in the country, period.
So are you saying, it should be illegal because it's illegal? Q: Should mj be legalized? A: No. Q: Why not? A: Because it's illegal.
No, I said it serves zero purpose medically, sends the wrong message to kids, and the fact that there's absolutely no reason to legalize it, as my reasons. Not one person yet has mentioned a single solitary decent reason to legalize marijuana. Not one. I'm surprised that no one has mentioned legalizing it and then taxing the crap out of it. At least that way society can battle the potheads that legalizing it produces. Even that's not a very good reason to legalize it, but at least it's something. So far in this thread, there's been nothing at all remotely close to sounding like a decent reason to legalize it.
Anyway, even though I have given some reasoning, it's not my job to explain why pot should stay illegal, it's up to the marijuana supporters to show some sort of decent reasoning as to why it should be made legal.
WharfRat wrote:
I've known several pot heads in my life and most of them didn't have enough brain cells left to tie their shoes.
I've known alcoholics who can't get out of bed without the bottle of whiskey right alongside them. People get hit by cars and shot by guns. Is it the car's fault? The gun's? The whiskey's? Or is it a person's fault, one way or another?
Everyone here knows that I lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of whatever idiot does something stupid.
You get drunk, wreck your car, kill a family in the process, I say toss your butt in the electric chair and turn you into a crispy critter on national TV.
Kid gets daddy's gun and shoots another kid? Fry daddy and maybe mommy in the process.
Kid walks out into the road without looking first and gets hit by a car? Kid got what he deserved. Parents should be investigated for not teaching their kid to look both ways before crossing the street.
Car goes up on the curb and kills a kid, fry the driver.
Problem is that the government doesn't have the sack to hardline the rules, and do what needs to be done to shape up this country.
As to the pothead and the alcholic, I don't hold either of the substances at fault. It's the person's fault for being irresponsible and stupid. Does that mean legalizing marijuana, so the stupid people have yet another way to be stupid and a drain on society, while the government doesn't have the stomach to start enforcing punishments that actually carry weight, a good idea? Absolutely not.
WharfRat wrote:
Anyhow, legalizing pot so people can get high is silly. Listening to people try to convince others that pot isn't all that bad and that it should be legal is pretty hilarious though. Other than getting high and helping with pain, there's absolutely no basis to argue for legalizing it. None. Zero.
Hrm. Sounds like it serves the same purposes as alcohol, cigarettes, and a zillion other things that really don't have any redeeming social value, yet are legal. I still don't think this has been sufficiently explained why, besides the '30s-era hysteria.
So yet again we're hearing "legalize pot, it's not any worse than what's out there"? That's not a reason to legalize it. It's a run around which isn't surprising since there isn't a decent reason on the face of the planet to legalize it. I've been through several of these types of threads and not one of them has given a sound reason to legalize it. It's always the same old thing.
Comparisons to cigarettes are not even close to comparing the same things. Alcohol is the closest comparison that can be made, and I do agree that alcohol is probably just as dangerous as pot.
WharfRat wrote:
Not to mention the message that legalizing marijuana would send to kids. What do you think all the kids would think? Well if they were wrong about marijuana, then are they wrong about cocaine? Heroin? Not exactly the message to put in kid's heads.
Good point, but here's something else: I've known many kids who could have gone ahead and acquired cocaine, heroin, etc, and I could have done the same. But I and other don't, and why? Not because it's illegal, although that helps. It's because those other things KILL YOU. This is a distinction that most potheads I've known make. Common sense tells you not to do something that could kill you pretty easily. But it's not just the job of common sense to tell the kids that, too.
Don't really have a response for this, but I agree that the harder drugs are more life threatening than pot, and I agree that parents should teach their kids the dangers of all drugs, be them legal or not.
RugbyD wrote:to get back on topic, am I the only one at odds with the anti-Constitutional nature and logic of the ruling? Can someone convince me that this ruling was Constitutionally consistent?
It's been a long time since I was in school, so please refresh my memory as to why taking an illegal drug out of hospitals (since there's actual medicine that does a better job availiable) is unconstitutional?
Phatferd wrote:There is a huge misconception on this topic. I don't care what tabacco is classified as, I have done both and I get the same "buzz" from both.
Then the pot you smoked was exceptionally bad. Need a new supplier or something because the difference in pot and cigarettes is quite large. Lol.
Phatferd wrote:I suffer from anxiety and pot was the best thing for it
Didn't you just say that smoking a cigarette gave you the same buzz?
As to the anxiety, there are plenty of other alternatives that do work. Pot isn't the only way to learn to control your fear and apprehension. Actually I misspoke, it's not a way to learn to control it. Just a way around it, instead of addressing and correcting the issue.
Yes doctor, I am sick. Sick of those who are spineless. Sick of those who feel self-entitled. Sick of those who are hypocrites. Yes doctor, an army is forming. Yes doctor, there will be a war. Yes doctor, there will be blood.....
Comparisons to cigarettes are not even close to comparing the same things
I have to agree with you here. Cigarettes are addictive. Pot is not.
Umm......sure.....
Yes doctor, I am sick. Sick of those who are spineless. Sick of those who feel self-entitled. Sick of those who are hypocrites. Yes doctor, an army is forming. Yes doctor, there will be a war. Yes doctor, there will be blood.....
Phatferd wrote:There is a huge misconception on this topic. I don't care what tabacco is classified as, I have done both and I get the same "buzz" from both.
Then the pot you smoked was exceptionally bad. Need a new supplier or something because the difference in pot and cigarettes is quite large. Lol.
Phatferd wrote:I suffer from anxiety and pot was the best thing for it
Didn't you just say that smoking a cigarette gave you the same buzz?
As to the anxiety, there are plenty of other alternatives that do work. Pot isn't the only way to learn to control your fear and apprehension. Actually I misspoke, it's not a way to learn to control it. Just a way around it, instead of addressing and correcting the issue.
The "buzz" is no different and I was reffering to "chew" or "dip" and the first few times someone does either one of them. If you read the entire thing you would know that.
As to you telling me what is best for my anxiety is like a person telling someone what the side effects are without ever doing it. I have been prescribed Paxil and Effexor and neither one of them did the same job as pot did. Simple as that.
In reference to you suggesting that I could just smoke cigarettes because I get the same buzz for my anxiety is just asinine and shows your stubbornness on the topic. The buzz has nothing to do with the chemical inbalence in my brain and that pot has something in it that helps balance those chemicals.
I dont understand whats wrong with this society where people don't want to help people with thier illness' and have this mentality that it can just be fixed and to deal with it. People sure thing they are better than others and feel the need to keep people down in order to improve their self esteem. BTW anxiety isn't always about fear. My anxiety comes from me obsessing over certain things without letting them go and I spend the entire day fixed on something and won't allow it to escape my mind.
You break the law everyday as you stated you play poker online, which is illegal, its just not enforced. Why don't you control that rush by filling it up with a legal alternative? You sure do stand on a soap box.
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